My Research Challenge Re Creatio Ex Nihilo

[AV1611VET]

1. What's being done to research creatio ex nihilo?

2. What's been done to research creatio ex nihilo?

3. What is the consensus of opinion on creatio ex nihilo so far?

 

[Occams Barber]

1. What's being done to research creatio ex nihilo?

2. What's been done to research creatio ex nihilo?

3. What is the consensus of opinion on creatio ex nihilo so far?

Creatio ex nihilo is a religious doctrine which puts it outside the purview of science. It is not a topic for scientific research.

Creatio ex nihilo is the doctrine that matter is not eternal but had to be created by some divine creative act. It is a theistic answer to the question of how the universe comes to exist. Wikipedia​

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OB

 

[AV1611VET]

Creatio ex nihilo is a religious doctrine which puts it outside the purview of science. It is not a topic for scientific research.

Creatio ex nihilo is the doctrine that matter is not eternal but had to be created by some divine creative act. It is a theistic answer to the question of how the universe comes to exist. Wikipedia​

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OB

Okay ... that answers the third question.

What about the first two?

 

[Occams Barber]

Okay ... that answers the third question.

What about the first two?

I thought that was obvious. Scientifically speaking:

1. Nothing
2. Nothing

It's a topic for religious philosophy. You should probably shift your question to a more appropriate theological forum.

OB

 

[AV1611VET]

I thought that was obvious. Scientifically speaking:

1. Nothing
2. Nothing

It's a topic for religious philosophy. You should probably shift your question to a more appropriate theological forum.

OB

Science Direct* says otherwise.

QV please: Spontaneous creation of the Universe Ex Nihilo

It mentions the CEN theory.

* Science Direct is a website that provides access to a large bibliographic database of scientific and medical publications of the Dutch publisher Elsevier. It hosts over 18 million pieces of content from more than 4,000 academic journals and 30,000 e-books of this publisher.

 

[Occams Barber]

Science Direct* says otherwise.

QV please: Spontaneous creation of the Universe Ex Nihilo

It mentions the CEN theory.

* Science Direct is a website that provides access to a large bibliographic database of scientific and medical publications of the Dutch publisher Elsevier. It hosts over 18 million pieces of content from more than 4,000 academic journals and 30,000 e-books of this publisher.

As far as I can see, the paper is an opinion - not research. This is born out by the following extract from the paper.

Further adjustments, elaborations, formalisms and experiments are required to formulate and support the theory, and are not within this paper's scope.​

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OB

 

[Shemjaza]

1. What's being done to research creatio ex nihilo?

2. What's been done to research creatio ex nihilo?

3. What is the consensus of opinion on creatio ex nihilo so far?

I'm not aware of any research into it... but it would be hypothetically researchable if there was a cooperative source of it.

If someone who was capable of creating ex nihilo wanted to demonstrate the effect to scientists it would be trivial to organise... it hasn't happened, so either creation ex nihilo doesn't happen or its source has no interest in demonstrating it.

 

[AV1611VET]

I'm not aware of any research into it... but it would be hypothetically researchable if there was a cooperative source of it.

If someone who was capable of creating ex nihilo wanted to demonstrate the effect to scientists it would be trivial to organise... it hasn't happened, so either creation ex nihilo doesn't happen or its source has no interest in demonstrating it.

I like to think, on Judgement Day, He will take some back in time and let them see for themselves how it went down.

But that's wild speculation.

 

[dlamberth]

1. What's being done to research creatio ex nihilo?

2. What's been done to research creatio ex nihilo?

3. What is the consensus of opinion on creatio ex nihilo so far?

I have no idea how ex nihilo could be researched.
Do you have any ideas how that could be done?

I see the Universe creating itself out of itself.

 

[AV1611VET]

I have no idea how ex nihilo could be researched.
Do you have any ideas how that could be done?

I do not.

Research is for science.

Creatio ex nihilo is not science.

 

[Shemjaza]

I like to think, on Judgement Day, He will take some back in time and let them see for themselves how it went down.

But that's wild speculation.

It's an interesting concept... we'd have to be different to even perceive an event like that. Our whole experience is within time, space and matter.

 

[Mark Quayle]

Creatio ex nihilo is a religious doctrine which puts it outside the purview of science. It is not a topic for scientific research.

Creatio ex nihilo is the doctrine that matter is not eternal but had to be created by some divine creative act. It is a theistic answer to the question of how the universe comes to exist. Wikipedia​

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OB

If Christian doctrine is to believed, God is relevant to EVERY scientific fact. Science is not outside the purview of theism.

 

[sjastro]

1. What's being done to research creatio ex nihilo?

2. What's been done to research creatio ex nihilo?

3. What is the consensus of opinion on creatio ex nihilo so far?

How many times this is has been brought up over the years and here is the standard response.

 

[sjastro]

How many times this is has been brought up over the years and here is the standard response.

The previous post was the concept of nothing from a mathematical perspective.
Here is the concept from a physics perspective.

 

[AV1611VET]

Here is the concept from a physics perspective.

Do I have to watch this whole thing?

I watched it to 3:15, and all he talks about is quantum this and quantum that, in a universe that already is full of energy.

In the beginning however, there was no energy as we know it, and God took six days to raise the level of mass/energy in the universe from zero to its present level today.

This guy seems to be talking about a field of nothing, within our universe, where the level of mass/energy is complete.

God calling SOMETHING out of NOTHING, is not the same thing as this guy calling NOTHING out of SOMETHING.

 

[dlamberth]

I do not.

Research is for science.

Creatio ex nihilo is not science.

Than I don't understand question 1 and 2.

 

[sjastro]

Do I have to watch this whole thing?

I watched it to 3:15, and all he talks about is quantum this and quantum that, in a universe that already is full of energy.

In the beginning however, there was no energy as we know it, and God took six days to raise the level of mass/energy in the universe from zero to its present level today.

This guy seems to be talking about a field of nothing, within our universe, where the level of mass/energy is complete.

God calling SOMETHING out of NOTHING, is not the same thing as this guy calling NOTHING out of SOMETHING.

If you had bothered to look to at the video in its entirety it was proven by 1998 in a laboratory experiment based on a prediction made in 1948, creation ex nihilo does not occur as the classical physics definition of "nothing" ironically cannot exist.
Your OP is therefore based on a circular argument, since you assume God created the universe out of nothing, you expect science to find the evidence you are looking for.
It doesn't work that way the evidence leads to the conclusion not around the other way and evidence shows creation ex nihilo is impossible.

So quantum field theory answers question (3) and has been pointed out questions (1) and (2) are based on theology.

 

[eleos1954]

Nothing .... means nonexistent .... something has to exist to be researched .... beyond that it is strictly pure theory/speculation without anything to support it ... nothing physical .... ex nihilo is not accepted by the scientific community nor the religious community .... both believe there was something in the beginning not nothing.

 

[AV1611VET]

Nothing .... means nonexistent .... something has to exist to be researched .... beyond that it is strictly pure theory/speculation without anything to support it ... nothing physical ....

I always like the story of the sons of the prophets who insisted they go look for Elijah.

2 Kings 2:15 And when the sons of the prophets which were to view at Jericho saw him, they said, The spirit of Elijah doth rest on Elisha. And they came to meet him, and bowed themselves to the ground before him.
16 And they said unto him, Behold now, there be with thy servants fifty strong men; let them go, we pray thee, and seek thy master: lest peradventure the Spirit of the LORD hath taken him up, and cast him upon some mountain, or into some valley. And he said, Ye shall not send.
17 And when they urged him till he was ashamed, he said, Send. They sent therefore fifty men; and they sought three days, but found him not.
18 And when they came again to him, (for he tarried at Jericho,) he said unto them, Did I not say unto you, Go not?

I can also envision a search party being sent out for Enoch.

Genesis 5:24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

ESP and other phenomena were researched in the '70s and found wanting.

And it looks like creatio ex nihilo was researched in the past, but people don't seem to want to admit it.

Perhaps, unlike Enoch and Elijah, the results for creatio ex nihilo (a.k.a., the CEN Theory) are too embarrassing to publish?

... ex nihilo is not accepted by the scientific community ...

Based on research?

... nor the religious community ....

Maybe you should look around some more? do more research, before you make a doosey of a statement like this?

... both believe there was something in the beginning not nothing.

So do I.

That "something" is God.

And when He spake -- (you know, vocal cords and all) -- He called into existence the first thing in the universe with mass/energy: the earth.

Then, over a six-day period, called the rest of the universe into existence up around the earth, raising the level of mass/energy accordingly.

Despite what the First Law of Thermodynamics says.

 

[dlamberth]

And it looks like creatio ex nihilo was researched in the past, but people don't seem to want to admit it.

How does one research creatio ex nihilo?