My Reality Challenge

[AV1611VET]

Saturn is our sixth planet from the sun.

Is this reality?

Just YES or NO please.

Anything else will be considered as an attempt to confuse - not clarify - the issue.

 

[Shemjaza]

Saturn is our sixth planet from the sun.

Is this reality?

Just YES or NO please.

Anything else will be considered as an attempt to confuse - not clarify - the issue.

YES.


(Why?)

 

[AV1611VET]

(Why?)

Because when I point out that, for 76 years, reality dictated Pluto to be considered our ninth planet, I get some educated propaganda that equates to: "No it didn't".

 

[quatona]

Because when I point out that, for 76 years, reality dictated Pluto to be considered our ninth planet, I get some educated propaganda that equates to: "No it didn't".

Great that you´ve got that off your chest.
Also interesting to see that you yourself find it important to explain your thoughts, while you consider everyone else who does that as attempting to confuse.

 

[JacksBratt]

No..... Everything revolves around us.... not the sun..

Is this what you were expecting for an argument? I know there is an ever increasing camp of people following this belief.

 

[Shemjaza]

Because when I point out that, for 76 years, reality dictated Pluto to be considered our ninth planet, I get some educated propaganda that equates to: "No it didn't".

They just changed the definition of the word planet, nothing about any celestial body has changed.

All the attributes of Pluto which make it ineligible for the new definition of planet were already known and accepted about it.

 

[quatona]

Saturn is our sixth planet from the sun.

Is this reality?

No, it´s a proposition.
And to further confuse you: It´s a proposition made within the frame of reference of certain definitions of words, on a certain category system, as well as a certain way of counting.

On another note, the "our" in your proposition alone makes it very questionable, to me.

 

[AV1611VET]

Also interesting to see that you yourself find it important to explain your thoughts, while you consider everyone else who does that as attempting to confuse.

I wasn't born yesterday.

 

[quatona]

I wasn't born yesterday.

Me neither.

 

[AV1611VET]

They just changed the definition of the word planet,

Here we go, folks.

Incoming educated propaganda.

Just what I wanted to avoid.

They just changed the definition of the word planet,

That came AFTER a 76 year period of reality dictating Pluto was our ninth planet.

 

[Shemjaza]

Here we go, folks.

Incoming educated propaganda.

Just what I wanted to avoid.

You don't have to use the same definition that some scientists prefer, you just have to be clear when talking about planets.

You like Pluto as a planet, but not the rest of the Kuiper belt objects or the largest bodies in the asteroid belt. That isn't enough to convince me that the new definition is flawed.

That came AFTER a 76 year period of reality dictating Pluto was our ninth planet.

What about those who previous to Pluto wanted to label Ceres as planet? Was that reality?

 

[quatona]

That came AFTER a 76 year period of reality dictating Pluto was our ninth planet.

No, it came after a period of a definition of "planet" dictating that Pluto was a planet.
If you feel that definitions of words constitute "propaganda", all we could possibly conclude is that the "propaganda" has changed.

 

[quatona]

That came AFTER a 76 year period of reality dictating Pluto was our ninth planet.

So it isn´t even in the bible?

 

[AirPo]

Because when I point out that, for 76 years, reality dictated Pluto to be considered our ninth planet, I get some educated propaganda that equates to: "No it didn't".

No you don't.

 

[Belk]

Saturn is our sixth planet from the sun.

Is this reality?

Just YES or NO please.

Anything else will be considered as an attempt to confuse - not clarify - the issue.

No.

 

[AirPo]

Here we go, folks.

Incoming educated propaganda.

Just what I wanted to avoid.

That came AFTER a 76 year period of reality dictating Pluto was our ninth planet.

And in the 77th year discovered new data. Educated people take in new data, re evaluate their understanding, and make changes when deemed appropriate.

 

[Belk]

Here we go, folks.

Incoming educated propaganda.

Just what I wanted to avoid.

That came AFTER a 76 year period of reality dictating Pluto was our ninth planet.

Yes, we know that nuance scares you.

 

[AV1611VET]

And in the 77th year discovered new data. Educated people take in new data, re evaluate their understanding, and make changes when deemed appropriate.

All that after-the-fact.

Remember Thalidomide?

Assuming Thalidomide was a mistake, it was one of the most notorious after-the-fact tragedies around.

While scientists were leaning on Frances Kelsey to okay it in the United States, children in the wombs* were mutating.

(But then we're mutants anyway, aren't we? )

* That would be "fetuses" to the educated.

Honorable mentions are the Titanic and the Hindenburg.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yes, we know that nuance scares you.

Like using H instead of He?

 

[AirPo]

All that after-the-fact.

Remember Thalidomide?

Assuming Thalidomide was a mistake, it was one of the most notorious after-the-fact tragedies around.

While scientists were leaning on Frances Kelsey to okay it in the United States, children in the wombs* were mutating.

(But then we're mutants anyway, aren't we? )

* That would be "fetuses" to the educated.

Honorable mentions are the Titanic and the Hindenburg.

Yes, after new facts. That's how it works.