My Raisin Bread Challenge

[AV1611VET]

I create a loaf of raisin bread ex nihilo.

Am I being deceptive? if so, how?

 

[Jro]

I can eat more raisin bread than you that's MY raisin bread challenge.

 

[AV1611VET]

I can eat more raisin bread than you that's MY raisin bread challenge.

I don't even like raisin bread.

 

[Jro]

I don't even like raisin bread.

The gauntlet has been thrown sir, if you be a man you will accept.

 

[CabVet]

I create a loaf of raisin bread ex nihilo.

Am I being deceptive? if so, how?

You are being deceptive if you create it today but it looks like this:

 

[Jro]

You are being deceptive if you create it today but it looks like this:

I'm not eating that bread AV wins.

 

[Skavau]

No, because you've told us you did.

However if you created it ex nihilo but made it so it seemed otherwise, yes you would.

 

[true2theword]

I'm not eating that bread AV wins.

where are the raisins?.........looks like someone picked them out

 

[Wiccan_Child]

I create a loaf of raisin bread ex nihilo.

Am I being deceptive? if so, how?

If you embed it with age, then yes.

 

[Jamin4422]

I create a loaf of raisin bread ex nihilo.

Am I being deceptive? if so, how?

So the world we live in: the new bread is just the old world recycled: the raisins?

 

[AV1611VET]

You are being deceptive if you create it today but it looks like this:

So being fresh doesn't count? the fact that it has [instant] dried grapes doesn't constitute deception?

 

[AV1611VET]

If you embed it with age, then yes.

Raisin aren't grapes with age?

 

[AV1611VET]

So the world we live in: the new bread is just the old world recycled: the raisins?

The raisins represent anything with age embedded; such as Adam & Eve, a 50-year-old rock, or a 100-million-year old rock.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Raisin aren't grapes with age?

Traditionally, but not necessarily. If I make a carbon copy of a raisin, is it itself a raisin, even though it never grew on the vine? If you piece the object together, molecule by molecule, is it a raisin, or a raisin-facsimile?

Your answers to those questions would tell us more about 'embedded age'. Per my understanding, it's not a case of the mere appearance of age - a mountain poofed into existence complete with stalactites in its caves, has the fake appearance of age but not genuine age. I think.

 

[AV1611VET]

Traditionally, but not necessarily. If I make a carbon copy of a raisin, is it itself a raisin, even though it never grew on the vine? If you piece the object together, molecule by molecule, is it a raisin, or a raisin-facsimile?

If you piece together a raisin molecule-by-molecule, as a carbon-copy of another, that's creatio ex materia, not creatio ex nihilo.[/quote]

 

[CabVet]

So being fresh doesn't count? the fact that it has [instant] dried grapes doesn't constitute deception?

You never said the bread was fresh. Let me see if I can put it in a way that is easier to understand:

Creating a fresh new raisin bread and telling us you just created it: honesty. (It does not matter if the bread is cooked and the raisins are dried, as long as they look like they were just created).

Creating a bread that looks like it is a week old and telling us you just created it: deception.

I will go back to the car analogy. The age does not matter, what matters is the condition. You tell me you just created ex-nihilo a 1986 BMW. If it looks like this I will give you the benefit of the doubt and perhaps consider that you are being honest:

If it looks like this, I will immediately assume you are deceiving:

Even forgetting all about radio-carbon (or any other) dating method, our planet does not look like it was created 6,000 years ago.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

If you piece together a raisin molecule-by-molecule, as a carbon-copy of another, that's creatio ex materia, not creatio ex nihilo.

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What if you poof it into existence, ex nihilo? If it never grew on the vine, is it still a raisin?

 

[Split Rock]

I create a loaf of raisin bread ex nihilo.

Am I being deceptive? if so, how?

What do you claim it is and where do you claim it came from?

Is this cinammon raisin bread? I like cinammon raisin bread.

 

[Jamin4422]

The raisins represent anything with age embedded; such as Adam & Eve, a 50-year-old rock, or a 100-million-year old rock.

Something old, something new, something borrowed, something blue.

 

[Jro]

AV I have a webcam and fifteen loaves of raisin bread. Let's do this.