My question

[cbk]

Jesus didn't say that only one type of Elijah is to come.

What do you think about Luke 9:54?

What of it? It just shows me that power can be given to those who were born naturally. Seems to work against cloning as a prequalifier.

 

[vinsight4u]

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[Serapha]

Hi there!



Ignore most of what has been posted already, or at a minimum.... ask for an interpretation of "666"

For as it has been used thus far in this posting, there is an assumption of 6 hundred sixty-six.... and that is not what the Bible says. The Bible says "six, six, six"


Read it all so far with a grain of salt.
Will the anti-christ be a cloned being.... I don't think so....but that would be opinion. Will it be a resurrected being.... of course not.


Jesus is/will be the only resurrectioned and glorified being. Satan can't resurrection anyone. God gives the spirit, the breath of life, not satan... THAT would be what the Bible says.


~malaka~

 

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[cbk]

Hi there!



Ignore most of what has been posted already, or at a minimum.... ask for an interpretation of "666"

For as it has been used thus far in this posting, there is an assumption of 6 hundred sixty-six.... and that is not what the Bible says. The Bible says "six, six, six"

Sorry, but the Bible I have says "Six hundred threescore and six" KJV

Which is six hundred and sixty six or 666.

What Bible are you reading that says "Six, six, six" ????

 

[Reformationist]

Signing off for the night.

I looked at the NIV for both the words of Solomon and compared it to the ones in Rev. 13.
Both this time have -666

So we can still hook a match -as to the amount of gold and the number of the beast -maybe that helps.

I don't remember the term for this but there was, and I believe still is, a Hebrew practice of applying a number equivalent to each letter. Anyway, there are a couple of things that we should take into account with the verse in Revelation. John says, "Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast." So, John is saying, "I'm going to tell you something that not everyone will understand." Those of you who will understand what I'm telling you, and why I'm telling you in this manner, decode this number because it stands for something. So, who would have understanding of what John was saying by naming the person with a number? And, why would John choose to use a number. Well, if I said to you, "Hey, vinsight4u, there's this person and his number is 245" you'd probably think that was part of his phone number, right? That is obviously not what John's audience, or at least a part of his audience would have understood him to be saying. They, the Hebrews, would have understood that John was telling them to take this number, 666, and compute it to its letter equivalent. He also says, "for it is the number of a man: His number is 666." Now, why would John have said that this guy's number was 666? Remember, this is a letter. There was a possibility, and a very real possibility, that it could be intercepted by those not sympathetic to the Christian cause. John would obviously know this. So, in the midst of his Greek letter he uses a Hebrew practice of numerology to protect against the subject finding out that John was warning Christians about him.

Many theories have been given for who the number 666 refers to but most are ridiculous at best. I've heard everyone from Ozzy Osbourne (sp?) to Prince Charles. Why, please tell me, would John ever warn first century Christians about someone who wouldn't exist for 2000 years? Anyway, the number 666, to make any sense at all, had to refer to someone in power at the time of the letter.

According to Hebrew numerology that number does transpose to a name. Anyone care to make a guess as to the name?

God bless

 

[cbk]

Many theories have been given for who the number 666 refers to but most are ridiculous at best. I've heard everyone from Ozzy Osbourne (sp?) to Prince Charles. Why, please tell me, would John ever warn first century Christians about someone who wouldn't exist for 2000 years? Anyway, the number 666, to make any sense at all, had to refer to someone in power at the time of the letter.

According to Hebrew numerology that number does transpose to a name. Anyone care to make a guess as to the name?

God bless

Well, if the prophecy was concerning SOMEONE in the distant future, why would this information NOT be written in the book of Revelation??

Its presence should not necessarily signify that it was to happen during their generation, should it??

Have you tried Roed-Larsen? For an individual?

Or, if his represents a 'body' of people, rather than an individual, have you tried New York??

Just food for thought.

 

[Maso]

I wonder if "The Bottomless Pit" could signify the relm of science. It seems like the socialists...like the ones in France and other places claim atheism, and as such have no consience. 'Nuther words...if you can put a white lab coat on it...then it becomes clinical and that makes it good ( to them, of course ) That's essencially how they justify abortion...and that's how they'll justify genetic cloning of human beings. Might say...he'll assend from the "Bottomless Pit" of atheistic humanist socialist depravity...

 

[Serapha]

Sorry, but the Bible I have says "Six hundred threescore and six" KJV

Which is six hundred and sixty six or 666.

What Bible are you reading that says "Six, six, six" ????

Hi there!



Please take a look at Revelations in Greek and tell me what the passage says. Or, perhaps a Lexicon... "The actual meaning of the number remains a mystery" By history, the interpretation should read "six six six"... but the translaters use it to mean six hundred sixty six.

What translation do "I" use? The best translation I can find.. in this case the accurate rendering in "six six six" from Greek.


~malaka~

 

[Serapha]

I don't remember the term for this but there was, and I believe still is, a Hebrew practice of applying a number equivalent to each letter.

....Many theories have been given for who the number 666 refers to but most are ridiculous at best. I've heard everyone from Ozzy Osbourne (sp?) to Prince Charles. Why, please tell me, would John ever warn first century Christians about someone who wouldn't exist for 2000 years? Anyway, the number 666, to make any sense at all, had to refer to someone in power at the time of the letter.

According to Hebrew numerology that number does transpose to a name. Anyone care to make a guess as to the name?

God bless

Hi there!



There is no merit in applying numbers to letters to obtain the name of 666....

If it doesn't work in English, I can translate it into Greek, or Hebrew, or Latin, or Aramaic,

If the first name doesn't work, I can try a title, or position, or the whole name.

If that doesn't work, I can try it backwards, or updside down....

If I try it enough ways, I can force it to work.

Just imagine, using numerology, I can make "YOU" the antichrist.


~malaka~

 

[Reformationist]

Hi there!



There is no merit in applying numbers to letters to obtain the name of 666....

If it doesn't work in English, I can translate it into Greek, or Hebrew, or Latin, or Aramaic,

If the first name doesn't work, I can try a title, or position, or the whole name.

If that doesn't work, I can try it backwards, or updside down....

If I try it enough ways, I can force it to work.

Just imagine, using numerology, I can make "YOU" the antichrist.


~malaka~

Be that as it may, John was not trying to confuse his audience. He was trying to avoid the content of his warning from being discovered by those who would not be familiar with the common Hebrew practice of numerology. It was something they did. Aside from the numbers being able to be "forced to work" they had to make sense. If you work it so that the number 666 means that I am the anti-Christ that would mean nothing to the audience for whom the letter was originally written. However, the number 666, using the common method of numerology did transpose into a name that would mean something to the first century Christians. It transposes into the name of a man who was the most violent persecutor of Christians in the history of mankind.

What makes more sense to you, that 666 really means nothing at all, that it refers to someone whom the original audience would have no clue about, or that the number 666 refers to someone that they dealt with on a day to day basis that killed Christians for sport and dipped them in tar and lit them on fire to light his garden parties?

 

[Serapha]

Be that as it may, John was not trying to confuse his audience. He was trying to avoid the content of his warning from being discovered by those who would not be familiar with the common Hebrew practice of numerology. It was something they did. Aside from the numbers being able to be "forced to work" they had to make sense. If you work it so that the number 666 means that I am the anti-Christ that would mean nothing to the audience for whom the letter was originally written. However, the number 666, using the common method of numerology did transpose into a name that would mean something to the first century Christians. It transposes into the name of a man who was the most violent persecutor of Christians in the history of mankind.

What makes more sense to you, that 666 really means nothing at all, that it refers to someone whom the original audience would have no clue about, or that the number 666 refers to someone that they dealt with on a day to day basis that killed Christians for sport and dipped them in tar and lit them on fire to light his garden parties?

Hi there!




IMHO.... six is the number of man...

six six six is the unholy trinity of man.


John wrote what the Lord said to write....

Fourteen times, the Lord told John to write the words and John wrote them. Yes, there is a lot of symbolism in the Revelation of Jesus Christ, in Greek, the translation is said to be a mystery of six six six and I will leave it at that.


~malaka~

 

[Reformationist]

Yes, there is a lot of symbolism in the Revelation of Jesus Christ, in Greek, the translation is said to be a mystery of six six six and I will leave it at that.


~malaka~

So it's a mystery to you and you'll just leave it at that? Okay.

Is there anything about the Bible that used to be a mystery to you but now that you've studied it in depth it is no longer a mystery to you?

 

[water_ripple]

Okay...my question for somebody with more knowlege than me...

Let me put it this way...

I've got a gut feeling that, if there's gonna' be an Antichrist...he's gonna' be a cloned genetic endity (Sp...?) and not from a natural conception.

Is there anything in the scriptures to support that idea...?

or...am I crazy...???

You know...even without those French whacko's...and their phony press release last summer... there's no tellin' what's being done or has been done clandestinly in the world. If they can do a sheep...a dog and a cow...a pig...then it's a no-brainer that there will be cloned humans. All the laws in the world won't stop it. And..I hate the idea.

I feel that the anti-christ is going to happen: Isaiah 14
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

Look at this next verse, we know that Lucifer is Satan himself and this passage starting with 12 tells us so but look at this next verse and compare:

16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?


I think a popular tendency of evil today are gentic cloning and such. Scientist who think they are revelutionizing new concepts. The fact is they are trying to play God and create things never meant to be created. Definetly a trait of the anti-christ sentiment thinking that one is God and refusing to even admit that God exists.

However be that the anti-christ wants to be likened unto God, I don't think being a clone would be good enough for his ego. He wants to be exactly like God and have a born man to spread his gospel of hate and destruction.

Oh and one more quick thing. Even though I am not well read in scripture I have noticed a subtle tendency that God reveals Himself to His children in degrees. He seems to prepare His people for what is next to come so that they may recognize what is from Him and what is not from Him. I believe that cloning is a form of preparing the children of God for what is to come...the anti-christ.

 

[Serapha]

So it's a mystery to you and you'll just leave it at that? Okay.

Is there anything about the Bible that used to be a mystery to you but now that you've studied it in depth it is no longer a mystery to you?

Hi there!


You misunderstand my statement.

I was referencing a Lexicon for the Revelation passage concerning "six six six" as it is referenced as a mystery in both Lexicon's I read plus a commentary.


It is a guess to say it is six hundred sixty-six.


The more I study of the history and archaeology of the time that the passage is written, the clearer the message is.

~malaka~

 

[Atkin]

IN regards to Elijah, what did Jesus say???

Matthew 11:14 "And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come."

Would Jesus have us accept a lie??? No.

John was the Elijah who was to come....

Malachi 4:15 (in the last paragraph of the O.T.) "See, I will send you the prophet Elijah before that great and dreadful day of the Lord."

So, was not John, born of the flesh, the Elijah???

CBK,

It is amazing to see Christians looking for all sorts of excuses to hide from Christ's words, especially when it does not suit them.

Christ was VERY VERY CLEAR about this, notwithstanding the statement made by the ANGEL THAT JOHN WOULD GO IN THE SPIRIT OF ELIJAH but it was too early to TELL PEOPLE THAT JOHN WAS ELIJAH for they would be

idolising John if they KNEW IN ADVANCE THAT HE WAS ELIJAH.

It take Christ's words VERY VERY SERIOUSLY HERE.

JOHN THE BAPTIST CAME IN THE SPIRIT OF ELIJAH AND WAS ELIJAH
PERIOD.

This is nothing about reincarnation , it is the WORK OF GOD.