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Why does that matter?...but all of the individual churches are not united under one and the same visible head.
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God desires unity
The problem with not seeing it is one can't go out into the world and say "Join this church which we're not entirely sure who's in it, or exacrtly what we believe"
It's not the building that matters- it's the blue print. Wrap yourself in it and stay warm.Of course, who knows who is Catholic or Othodox? Yes, I suppose one can often check to see if they are officially registered in a congregation which is legally a member of a corporate entity (and no other), a POLITICAL association. But, obviously, that says very little (or nothing) about their faith, heart, belief or life; pretty meaningless. My brother is a registered Republican but typically votes for Democrates - is he thus Republican?
I think you, like the Pharisees, are focused on the external, the political, the institutional. What matters is what's inside, what's in our heart and soul.
That's my perspective....
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- Josiah
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Josiah said:I agree, but is what He desires a political, structual, institutional unity? As long as we're all officially registered in congregations legally affiliated with the same corporate entity? I don't think so....
Here in GT, the usual emphasis is on doctrinal AGREEMENT: a mental, cognative, brain thing. I don't doubt that it would be nice if 100% of Christians agrees on 100% of all issues 100% of the time - but that's never been the case and I dobut ever will. And of course, your denomination is no better than most - it agrees with NONE but itself, it has "agreement" ONLY and exclusively and solely and uniquely with ITSELF. And even that is only official, formal, institutional, and in those matters that itself alone currently regards as good to agree upon. IF it's doctrinal unity you seek - start with your own denomination - it has as much work to do in this regard as just about any other denomination you might mention; "those in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks."
It's not the building that matters- it's the blue print.
Inside of the EO communion there are wheat and tares- the Lord said there would be.
A city on a hill cannot be hidden. You know, the New Jerusalem -- the Church.IMO, you are similar to the Pharisees: focused on the OUTSIDE, the appearances, the institutions, on politics and the power of men. I think what matters is what is in our heart, soul and lives; it may not be as outwardly "visible" by being able to reflect light in a way that our human sense of vision can detect, but I think it is far more important and is the issue that matters.
I would agree with that. I just can't picture it being strictly in Rome for some reason eheheA city on a hill cannot be hidden. You know, the New Jerusalem -- the Church.
Where the brothers dwell in unity...God desires unity
I would agree with that. I just can't picture it being strictly in Rome for some reason ehehe
Young) Hebrews 12:22 But ye came to Mount Zion, and to a city of the living God, to the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of messengers,
23 to the company and assembly of the first-born in heaven enrolled, and to God the judge of all, and to spirits of righteous men made perfect,
24 and to a mediator of a new covenant--Jesus, and to blood of sprinkling, speaking better things than that of Abel!
I felt that pic of the NJ looked too much like the Gold Dome of the Muslims, but when I saw that pic, it reminded me of Matt 7/Reve22....I am losing my mind!is that gloriously BEAUTIFUL, or what???? Great Bible verses, by the way.
Sure. It is found here blueletterbible.orgPlease copy this physical, visible blueprint here - the blueprint that is Christianity and is the communion of saint.
Yes, so you have no basis to say that 100% of Christians not agreeing 100% of the time on 100% of all issues thus indicates that it is not the church. Whether you look at just your singular denomination or at the whole of the church.
Interesting.All of this ad hominem reveals the true poverty of your argument.IMO, you are similar to the Pharisees: focused on the OUTSIDE, the appearances, the institutions, on politics and the power of men. I think what matters is what is in our heart, soul and lives; it may not be as outwardly "visible" by being able to reflect light in a way that our human sense of vision can detect, but I think it is far more important and is the issue that matters.
Sure. It is found here blueletterbible.org
The blueprint is there.
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Ok, thinkin' out loud here......loving God with all that is in us....well there ya go...got that, n' ev'rything else just falls into place, by His inexplicable grace.....reminds me of this verse, this gloriously beautiful verse:
"And above all things have fervent love for one another, for love will cover a multitude of sins." ~I Peter 4:8
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