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Then those of the invisible church will have to use invisible ink in their post
Hmmm....I supposeEither way, it makes just about as much sense.
I'm good with that. As the Roman Catholic church -- ekklesia -- congregation -- is not itself congregated in one place, it's not visible.Either way, it makes just about as much sense.
It's invisible. I can't see it.
I personally want to know what makes the Catholic Church different? The Protestants and their "invisible" Church which we claim is made up of all the believers on this earth. NOW..The Catholic Church wouldn't disagree that the Church is made up of its believers..what I don't understand, is how is yours visible yet ours isn't? is it the Church's themselves? well we got Churches too. Is it purly defined as the Church that has the pope? the pope being the visible symbol of the Church? how does that change anything? I could point to John McArthur (as an example) and say "There is a leader of Protestant Christianity..our Church is visible" so I ask what is it that the Catholic Church has that makes it so visible, yet the Protestant Church is lacking that makes it invisible?
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In MY opinion, the church that is one, holy, catholic, communion of saints is made up of saints, of believers, of people. All the believers I personally know are people, thus the "gathering" "assembly" of such is also people. As far as I can tell, all the promises and authorizations Jesus gave were to people - never once to an invisible denomination such as the RCC or LDS (claims of such alone for self alone notwithstanding).
The Catholic Church boasts a hierarchical organization. While the Body of Christ is united spiritually and invisibly, it is also united physically and visibly in its governmental structure.I personally want to know what makes the Catholic Church different?
The Catholic Church boasts a hierarchical organization. While the Body of Christ is united spiritually and invisibly, it is also united physically and visibly in its governmental structure.
Protestant Churches can be easy to recognize and approach as well.I also believe in an invisible Church which is similar in definition as the protestant one. However, I believe that Christ instituted a visible, authoritive Church which is easy to recognize and approach.
There may not be a thing actually called "The protestant Church" There are however Churches within the protestant tradition, and just because they are "small" doesn't mean that they can't be recognized in the form the Catholic Church is.To wit, there is no such thing as the 'Protestant Church' which exists as a visible and authoritive institution. To use your example of Jmac, he could only be considered a leader or authority figure to a small segment of protestantism.
All I can say is that they are not united under one visible head and that is doubtful to me.the Eastern Orthodox boast the same thing, is their Church visible or invisible?
But they have a hierarchy. A Heirarchy is one of those things pointed out to me as something needed for a visible Church. However if the Orothodox having a Hierarchy isn't good enough, then what it LITERALLY seems to boil down to, is that you have a pope, and we don't....no?All I can say is that they are not united under one visible head and that is doubtful to me.
God is, since the ascension, invisible.God is their head?
Despite the the whole pope thing, even your Church is headed by the Lord. His being "invisible" shouldn't mean anything.God is, since the ascension, invisible.
It means he is invisible. The churches you mentioned are not united under a visible head. That is all I was saying.Despite the the whole pope thing, even your Church is headed by the Lord. His being "invisible" shouldn't mean anything.
Sure they are. Every Church is united under a pastor, preacher ect. But like I have asked, is this all boiling down to "we got a pope and you don't" argument?It means he is invisible. The churches you mentioned are not united under a visible head. That is all I was saying.
I think their pope and how he is elected is rather kewlSure they are. Every Church is united under a pastor, preacher ect. But like I have asked, is this all boiling down to "we got a pope and you don't" argument?
...but all of the individual churches are not united under one and the same visible head.Sure they are. Every Church is united under a pastor, preacher etc.
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