My [playing card] Challenge

[AV1611VET]

It's not denying the author as such. It's that the author is incredibly shy and hasn't left an iota of empirical evidence to show he exists.

We're getting off the subject, as EP said it was a crime I did not commit; but for the record, the note later says that the Author will be "turning Himself in" soon, and until He does, just wait for Him.

 

[milkyway]

We're getting off the subject, as EP said it was a crime I did not commit; but for the record, the note later says that the Author will be "turning Himself in" soon, and until He does, just wait for Him.

OK sorry, I didn't know there was more on the note.

That's actually quite scientific, because if new evidence becomes available (i.e. the author turns himself in), then of course that will have to be taken seriously and examined.

Until that happens we will have to go with the reality of what's open to be tested.

 

[Soul Searcher]

As long as you deny that the perpetrator of the "crime" left a note so the "police" could attribute said "crime" to the right person, you're not going to understand what really happened.

That's because you deny the existence of the Author.

So are you saying that God wrote the book of Genesis or that Moses embedded the age?

We know that God did not actually write the bible. We do not know exactly who did. Many will say Moses wrote Genesis but I find that extremely unlikely as well. The truth is that we really don't have any idea who wrote it and it is only through tradition that an authors name is given to it.

 

[MrGoodBytes]

That's because you deny the existence of the Author.

I reject the claim that the author of the note was the one who committed the crime, nothing else. There is no reason to believe him and a lot of reasons not to.

 

[AV1611VET]

I reject the claim that the author of the note was the one who committed the crime, nothing else. There is no reason to believe him and a lot of reasons not to.

I see the results of your rejection too. Questions, questions, questions; repeat questions, repeat questions, repeat questions; accusations of lying, accusations of lying, accusations of lying; can't get beyond Genesis 1; don't understand embedded age, creatio ex nihilo, the Flood, who came first, Noah or the Egyptians, blaming God for the condition this universe is in; think miracles were done by magic; et. [much] al.

Like I say, if you can't get past Genesis 1, you're in for a doosey of a ride, as it only gets harder from there.

 

[MrGoodBytes]

I see the results of your rejection too. Questions, questions, questions; repeat questions, repeat questions, repeat questions

You could try answering the questions instead of referring to earlier threads where you didn't answer them either.

accusations of lying, accusations of lying, accusations of lying

You repeatedly made a claim that you could not support without bothering to address the rebuttals. What do you expect?

can't get beyond Genesis 1

Everybody can "get past" Genesis 1. Not everyone believes it.

don't understand embedded age

Nobody does, and judging from your inability to explain it, you don't either.

creatio ex nihilo, the Flood, who came first, Noah or the Egyptians, blaming God for the condition this universe is in

Either he directly turned this universe into what it is today or he set up a mechanism that would turn the universe into what it is today when triggered. Either way, he is responsible.

think miracles were done by magic; et. [much] al.

They are, by definition. Your attempts at redefining the English language where it suits your needs are rather unconvincing.

Like I say, if you can't get past Genesis 1, you're in for a doosey of a ride, as it only gets harder from there.

You keep repeating this sentence as if it had any meaning.

 

[Psudopod]

Questions, questions, questions; repeat questions

Questions are one of the most important ways to understand something. Don't know how something works? Break it down, ask the questions, adn build up adn model from the answers. Don't understand someone's viewpoint, then ask them to explain until you do. You make it sound like it's a bad thing, rather than sitting there and accepting the spoonfeeding. And if people are repeating the same questions it's generally because your answers are not adiquate. Intelligent people will keep asking until they feel comfortable they understand or have dismissed the point.

can't get beyond Genesis 1

I wouldn't say that's true. Most people can get past Genesis 1 fine. What you don't like is the fact that accept it for what it appears to be: Hebrew poetry designed to conteract the polythesim of earlier religeons.

don't understand embedded age,

Everyone understands embedded age, they're just not prepared to stick their fingers in their ears and ignore god's creation.

the Flood

We understand the flood too. Much better than you I suspect becuase we've given a great deal of thought to what it would acutally be like, rather than assuming there was a flood, and then all the evidence went away.

who came first, Noah or the Egyptians,

Well, the egyptians have an unbroken history going back thousands of years, and Noah just exists in the bible.

blaming God for the condition this universe is in

Is God omnisient and omnipotent? If he is, then he both knew what state the world would be in, and could do something about it if he choose. Therefore he is responsible, becuase he could change it. Or else he is not omnisient or omnipotent.

think miracles were done by magic

Miracles and magic are the same thing, it just depends if they were done by a cleric or a mage.

 

[FishFace]

I see the results of your rejection too. Questions, questions, questions; repeat questions, repeat questions, repeat questions; accusations of lying, accusations of lying, accusations of lying; can't get beyond Genesis 1; don't understand embedded age, creatio ex nihilo, the Flood, who came first, Noah or the Egyptians, blaming God for the condition this universe is in; think miracles were done by magic; et. [much] al.

Like I say, if you can't get past Genesis 1, you're in for a doosey of a ride, as it only gets harder from there.

We, and millions of Christians, can "get past Genesis 1." The problem you appear to projecting is that we don't agree with your interpretation of it. I know you live in this wonderful dream world where anyone who disagrees with you is stupid, ignorant or just plain wrong, but reality doesn't work like that. We don't believe you - do something about it.

The analogy works (unlike your analogies) - there is a note saying that this person did it, claiming to be "inspired" by the person or something similar.
However, the person in question disavows all knowledge of writing it, and there is plenty of forensic evidence suggesting that he (you) didn't commit the crime.

AV's method would have us convict the innocent.
Scientific method wouldn't.

 

[LordTimothytheWise]

A guy deals out 5 cards face down. He tells you that he knows it's a royal flush of spades. He then places the cards back in the deck and throws them into an incinerator. When asked how he knows, he says he read in a book that everytime 5 cards aren't looked at or otherwise determined, they are a royal flush of spades.

You realize there is no way to prove they are not.

Do you believe him?

Maybe, depends on whether or not he has a reputation for 'stacking' the deck.

Either way QM is fun. I would have given Blackmarch's answer or something like it.