My Philosophy

[JesusServant]

I believe the children are our future.  Teach them well and let them lead the way.  Show them all the beauty they possess inside.

 

[Holyjoe]

Prov 22. 6
Train a child in the way he should go,
and when he is old he will not turn from it.

 

[Annabel Lee]

CHILDREN

"And a woman who held a babe against her bosom said, "Speak to us of Children."

And he said:

Your children are not your children
They are the sons and daughters of Life's longing for itself.

They come through you but not from you,
And though they are with you, yet they belong not to you.

You may give them your love but not your thoughts.
For they have their own thoughts.

You may house their bodies but not their souls,
For their souls dwell in the house of tomorrow, which you cannot visit, not even in your dreams.

You may strive to be like them, but seek not to make them like you.
For life goes not backward nor tarries with yesterday.

You are the bows from which your children as living arrows are sent forth.
The archer sees the mark upon the path of the infinite, and He bends you with His might that His arrows may go swift and far.
Let your bending in the archer's hand be for gladness;
For even as he loves the arrow that flies, so He loves also the bow that is stable."

Kahlil Gibran

 

[Freodin]

Today at 05:24 PM JesusServant said this in Post #1 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=694618#post694618)

I believe the children are our future.  Teach them well and let them lead the way.  Show them all the beauty they possess inside.

Hey, I know that! What song is that from?

 

[Job_38]

Yesterday at 04:49 PM Annabel Lee said this in Post #3

CHILDREN

"And a woman who held a babe against her bosom said, "Speak to us of Children."

And he said:

Your children are not your children
They are the sons and daughters of Life's longing for itself.

They come through you but not from you,
And though they are with you, yet they belong not to you.

You may give them your love but not your thoughts.
For they have their own thoughts.

You may house their bodies but not their souls,
For their souls dwell in the house of tomorrow, which you cannot visit, not even in your dreams.

You may strive to be like them, but seek not to make them like you.
For life goes not backward nor tarries with yesterday.

You are the bows from which your children as living arrows are sent forth.
The archer sees the mark upon the path of the infinite, and He bends you with His might that His arrows may go swift and far.
Let your bending in the archer's hand be for gladness;
For even as he loves the arrow that flies, so He loves also the bow that is stable."

Kahlil Gibran

 That is very true.

 

[JesusServant]

Today at 05:18 PM Pray4Isrel said this in Post #6

Isn't that Whitney Houston?
"Let the children's laughter remind us how we used to be. I decided long ago never to walk in anyone's shadow. If I fail, If I succeed at least I'll live where I believe. Nomatter what they take from me they can't take away my dignity. Because the greatest love of all is happening to me, I've found the greatest love of all inside of me" LOL
I feel old now.

Sure is.  I thought this place could use a little humor, but I tried to keep my trap shut when people posted very nice responses to the OP. 

And judging by her current drug problem I would say she sure was wrong to "never walk in anyone's shadow" like, um, I dunno, Jesus? 

 

[Bernie02]

I'll be devil's advocate here.  As to the idea, "...Show them [the children] all the beauty they possess inside."

Since we're talking about "inside", I suggest that it is infinitely more advantageous to teach them the truth...that they possess absolute moral filth inside.

Cosmic and carnal.  To suggest that humanity contains any beauty is a carnal idea.  It has truth only among human beings, comparing one to another.  On the cosmic level, comparing human with God (which is the truly important comparison), we're filthy. Cosmic truth is True truth; carnal truth is basically worthless.

I have tried to teach my kids their own filthiness so they could learn their only "inner beauty" comes from having Someone else's "inner beautry" imputed to them by faith.

God bless you in your walk.

 

[cre100382]

My children (they are years in the future) will learn that respect is one of the best things in this world. I will teach my children the difference between right and wrong and educate them to think for themselves and make their own moral decisions. I hope to make them understand that I will love them no matter what happens and that they can always count on me. Even if they do not believe the same as I do, I will be happier if they believed in something because it is better than believing in nothing.

 

[Annabel Lee]

Today at 04:40 PM Bernie02 said this in Post #9 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=704057#post704057)

I'll be devil's advocate here.  As to the idea, "...Show them [the children] all the beauty they possess inside."

Since we're talking about "inside", I suggest that it is infinitely more advantageous to teach them the truth...that they possess absolute moral filth inside.

Cosmic and carnal.  To suggest that humanity contains any beauty is a carnal idea.  It has truth only among human beings, comparing one to another.  On the cosmic level, comparing human with God (which is the truly important comparison), we're filthy. Cosmic truth is True truth; carnal truth is basically worthless.

I have tried to teach my kids their own filthiness so they could learn their only "inner beauty" comes from having Someone else's "inner beautry" imputed to them by faith.

God bless you in your walk.

You're playing Devils Advocate so I don't know whether to take you seriously or not.
If you are serious, what a sad, terrible belief to teach your children.

 

[Evening Mist]

I have tried to teach my kids their own filthiness so they could learn their only "inner beauty" comes from having Someone else's "inner beautry" imputed to them by faith.

Ugh. Wonderful. So your children will grow up needy, and constantly looking outside of themselves to have their self-worth validated. Wonderful. We need more people like that in the world.

I'm sorry, but God does not make "trash." He sees something precious and beautiful at our core that He considers worth redeeming. I will teach my children that they were born with that beautiful person at their core, and that God's mission is to preserve them. I will also remind them that every other person is equally unique and precious.

 

[Bernie02]

Au contraire, evening mist.  My three grown daughters are all well adjusted happy adults with good husbands who were spared the lie of modern Christianity...and will hopefully carry truth forward to their own children.

Calvinism is supposed to champion this truth of our true worth, but most have fallen prey to society's pressure to find our "self worth", I think.  There is little outcry against our moral filthiness today.  You might say this is a good thing.  Look around you at the world today...especially at Christianity...aren't we all just a big, happy wonderful family?

There is not "self worth" outside of Christ.  Why do you think He had to die, to save a "pretty decent bunch o' folk"?

God bless you in your walk.

 

[sk8Joyful]

I'll be devil's advocate here, as to the idea,
'...Show them [the children] all the beauty they possess inside.' Since
we're talking about 'inside', I suggest that it is infinitely more advantageous to teach them the truth...that they possess absolute moral filth inside. To suggest
that humanity contains any beauty is a carnal, worthless idea.
I have tried to teach my kids their own filthiness so they could learn their only "inner beauty" comes from having Someone else's "inner beautry" imputed to them by faith. God bless you in your walk.

I don't doubt the veracity, of your statement Sir, yet I am truely concerned for your children, as well as you personally. Why?? -
I've had to deal, as a counselor, with 100's of 'Christian'-children whose parents mirrored your 'destructive negativity'. With their *precious self-esteem* destroyed by their parents, they desplay the entire-range of Griefing-process behaviors, including 'hurt/pain, anger, depression, & hopelessly giving-up, including repetitive suicide-attempts (many evident in this CF-community 24/7, also). - so, evidently, our world doesn't need any more folks, with your empoverishing attitudes.

I've taught as well, 'Parenting'-classes, in which I share with parents:
1. the fact that 'GOD does not create 'junk/trash' (unlike humans do).
2. God esteems us as preciously beautiful at our core, which GOD considers worthy of redeeming.
3. Parents, therefore, would be *wise* teaching their children our common
truely-Devine soul origin, their beautiful mind, and how God
(aside His redemption), created inside each of us our own internal-successful-resources.

Sincerely, I invite you to re-consider...

 

[Illuminatus]

Since we're talking about "inside", I suggest that it is infinitely more advantageous to teach them the truth...that they possess absolute moral filth inside.

I can't tell if you're serious, or if you're a troll trying to make Christianity look bad.

 

[Druweid]

And he said:

Your children are not your children
They are the sons and daughters of Life's longing for itself...

Ah, yes, Gibran, my favorite madman.

Beautiful post!

-- Druweid

 

[Druweid]

I'll be devil's advocate here

Hmmm, now, if you're devil's advocate, and I disagree with your post, what does that make me? Eh, just a thought.

Since we're talking about "inside", I suggest that it is infinitely more advantageous to teach them the truth...that they possess absolute moral filth inside.

I disagree. Ref: Matt 18:3, Matt 19:14.

Cosmic and carnal.; To suggest that humanity contains any beauty is a carnal idea.; It has truth only among human beings, comparing one to another.;

With this I can agree. However, you have not made a sufficient connection between the concepts of "carnal ideas" and "moral filth." Beauty is simply that which we find pleasing. If it is morally wrong to admire the beauty of another human being, absent of any heartfelt lust, please explain. If it is impossible to admire beauty without feeling lust, please justify that belief. Also, imho, to equate beauty with moral filth would make the Song of Songs much like a Satanic verse.

On the cosmic level, comparing human with God (which is the truly important comparison), we're filthy.

Absolutely nothing in the bible supports a claim to this extreme. Sinners? yes; Imperfect? yes; Filthy and worthless? I don't think so.

Cosmic truth is True truth; carnal truth is basically worthless.

Ah! Now we come to the heart of the matter. When we speak of "...show them all the beauty they possess inside..." are we really talking about carnal truth, or cosmic truth? You have approached this entire topic as if it were about physical (carnal) beauty, when the verse plainly states that it's about inner, spiritual beauty. And you have not yet presented one sustainable argument to clearly show that this beauty cannot exist. You have your opinions, and to that, you are entitled.

I have tried to teach my kids their own filthiness so they could learn their only "inner beauty" comes from having Someone else's "inner beautry" imputed to them by faith.

You are, of course, entitled to raise your children as you choose. However, this does not lend one iota of credibility to your claims.

(By the way, it IS good to hear your children are doing well, may their lives continue to be blessed.)

When it comes to anything of a carnal nature, I would tend to believe that Chapter 8 of Paul's Letter to the Romans would best exemplify the Christian viewpoint (Anyone, if I'm mistaken on this, feel free to suggest a better source). Paul's position is stated quite simply in Romans 8:8 "So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God." He does not condemn mankind as being filthy degenerate animals, rather, he states quite clearly that mankind needs to transcend matters of the flesh to meet the expectations of God. And that is all.

God bless you in your walk.

And the brightest of blessings to you, sir.

Respectfully,
Druweid

 

[butterfoot]

To bad Whitney Didn't follow the words in her own songs. She had such a beautiful voice. Why did she have to get with that trash Bobby Brown?


-cw