My Missing Links Challenge

[AV1611VET]

We didnt evolve, no. There is and always has been, the Corgi!!!! I can trace us right back to the Ark! I have the original boarding passes!!!!

I heard Corgis helped herd the animals aboard!

 

[AV1611VET]

Do you think that you are descended from ancestors who lived at the time of Aristotle (384-322 BCE)?

Yup.

Can you name all of them?

Nope.

If not, there are missing links in your ancestry between the time of Aristotle.

Yup.

Therefore it is a matter of faith that you had ancestors who lived at the time of Aristotle.

Okay.

Since faith is not a part of the scientific equation, science rules out the possibility that you are descended from people who lived in Aristotle's time.

You're overlooking something.

My ancestors are just that.

My ancestors.

They are still human beings.

Evolution claims changes of kinds of ancestors, but they can't demonstrate it.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Evolution claims changes of kinds of ancestors, but they can't demonstrate it.

It is demonstrable. You just refuse to acknowledge it as such.

 

[AV1611VET]

The study of evolution is a scientific study. The nomenclature of that study is determined by the experts in the field. You do not appear to be such an expert, therefore your attempts to mess with definitions is irrelevant and presumptuious.

You can't study what was never there.

All you can do is call them "missing links" and assume they were there.

You know -- considering them "evidence of things not seen."

Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

 

[Lost4words]

I heard Corgis helped herd the animals aboard!

Waw! You are right!!! Amazing as not many people know that!

 

[AV1611VET]

You can't even prove how missing links are a problem. Just saying they are does not make them a problem.

By definition, they aren't a matter of science.

They are a matter of faith.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

By definition, they aren't a matter of science.

They are a matter of faith.

No they're not. You've not shown at all how they are.

 

[AV1611VET]

I don't mean to sabotage this thread, but let's face the fact that the entire book of Hebrews really DOES present that Christian faith has a component of evidence as a part of its cognitive structure, despite the lousy ways that people read a mere one or two verses in the 11th chapter.

The book of Hebrews compares Jesus Christ to the priesthood, and shows Jesus Christ to be the better way.

Just as the book of Romans compares Jesus Christ to the Law, and shows Jesus Christ to be the better way.

 

[AV1611VET]

It is demonstrable.

Uh-huh.

Is that why they're called "missing links"?

(And even the word "missing" is misleading, as it implies they were there in the first place, then went missing by way of decay and whatnot; when that's not the case at all. Perhaps the term "neverexisted links" would be more appropriate?)

 

[BCP1928]

For the most part I agree with and like what you had to say.
The only thing I would change is instead of using the word macroevolution I would just use the word evolution.
Because what most people usually call microevolution is not any type of evolution at all but rather adaptation within a 'kind'.
I think and have seen that there is less confusion when creationists do not mistakenly blur the lines by saying that some types of evolution have happened and other types of evolution haven't happened.
Because the truth of the fact is that no type of evolution has ever happened, is happening or will ever happen.
One kind never becomes another kind.

Excellent hypothesis. Now all you have to do is show us evidence of it.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Uh-huh.

Is that why they're called "missing links"?

(And even the word "missing" is misleading, as it implies they were there in the first place, then went missing by way of decay and whatnot; when that's not the case at all. Perhaps the term "neverexisted links" would be more appropriate?)

Because the people who use the term, mainly non-scientists such as yourself, do not understand the point of transitional fossils and think that evolution is just one singular, unbroken chain of existence which it isn't.

 

[AV1611VET]

No they're not. You've not shown at all how they are.

Either that, or I did.

(Now you know why I call this a "challenge," don't you?)

And don't complain.

You're the one who put me up to making this thread.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Either that, or I did.

(Now you know why I call this a "challenge," don't you?)

And don't complain.

You're the one who put me up to making this thread.

It's not complaining in pointing out that you're wrong.

It's not challenging to point out that you haven't shown any thing to say that 'missing links' are a problem for the theory of evolution. Not now, nor have you ever shown that they're a problem.
You've said they're a problem, but never shown how. And that is a HUGE difference.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

The book of Hebrews compares Jesus Christ to the priesthood, and shows Jesus Christ to be the better way.

Just as the book of Romans compares Jesus Christ to the Law, and shows Jesus Christ to be the better way.

I agree, BUT that's not the only thing that the author of the book of Hebrews does ... he (whether it is Paul or Apollos or maybe even Priscilla doing so) also demonstrates that faith is a Rational position to take, even if it's not at all times, for all people, offering personally Empirical evidences to people's faces.

In other words, the author of Hebrews is offering historical and/or testimonial evidence to ground Christian Theology in a similar fashion as to how Matthew does in his rendition of the Gospel or that John does respectively in his own rendition.

So, making "faith" out to be void of evidence of any kind is not only a form of eisegesis rather than solid exegesis in reading the Biblical texts, it's also an irrational, and reductionistic, reading as well.

 

[AV1611VET]

It's not complaining in pointing out that you're wrong.

It's not challenging to point out that you haven't shown any thing to say that 'missing links' are a problem for the theory of evolution. Not now, nor have you ever shown that they're a problem.
You've said they're a problem, but never shown how. And that is a HUGE difference.

Just because you can't see it as a problem, doesn't mean it's not a problem.

Absence of sight is not citing absence of same.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Just because you can't see it as a problem, doesn't mean it's not a problem.

Absence of sight is not citing absence of same.

Transitional fossils are not a problem for the theory of evolution because they're expected to be found, because no creature that ever existed was at the 'end' of their evolutionary lineage. Unless they're crabs.

Just because you say they're a problem, and you've never once explained HOW they're a problem, does not mean they're a problem.

 

[AV1611VET]

So, making "faith" out to be void of evidence of any kind is not only a form of eisegesis rather than solid exegesis in reading the Biblical texts, it's also an irrational, and reductionistic, reading as well.

As Jesus put it ...

John 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

 

[AV1611VET]

Just because you say they're a problem, and you've never once explained HOW they're a problem, does not mean they're a problem.

A missing link is not like your car keys gone missing.

A missing link is something that was never there in the first place.

Don't bother going to hunt for them.

2 Kings 2:17 And when they urged him till he was ashamed, he said, Send. They sent therefore fifty men; and they sought three days, but found him not.

 

[BCP1928]

Just because you can't see it as a problem, doesn't mean it's not a problem.

Absence of sight is not citing absence of same.

So what's the problem?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

A missing link is not like your car keys gone missing.

A missing link is something that was never there in the first place.

Don't bother going to hunt for them.

2 Kings 2:17 And when they urged him till he was ashamed, he said, Send. They sent therefore fifty men; and they sought three days, but found him not.

Missing links are continually found, because they're transitional fossils, which is what we expect since the fossil record is not perfect nor complete.