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I'm trying to show you the hierarchy of my values, in which my children come first before anyone else.
It depends who the stranger was, and what the transplant was. If the stranger is a father of 3 with his family depending on him and I was only one in the world who could do that, I'd seriously consider it.
Kylie, let's get real here, we are not really talking about a fertilized ball of cells in case if an abortion, and you are running to it like that's all we are talking about.
You seem to be ok with abortion at 22 weeks, so we are no longer talking about a bundle of cells here.
You. If you are forcing someone you are treating their body and their kidney as your property to do with as you see fit.
Thus, when I ask whether a parent has responsibility to feed their children, the typical response is:
"a bundle of cells is not a child", and when I ask as to what considered to be a child, there's no clear answer, but mostly vague analogies about heaps and grains of sand.
It’s a person the second it’s conceived.
By any other argument we could claim it isn’t a person at any developmental stage before self awareness happens at around 2 years of age.
Under any other argument suffocating my newborn child is acceptable.
Yahweh is wonderful and perfect in wiping out everything that is false,
and punishing (or correcting/disciplining) those who practice anything
false or harmful(in any way) to others..
Actually, it is exactly as Yahweh said 2000 years ago that it would be.The current state of politics would seem to prove that claim wrong, but that's off topic...
What, you think it's gonna be:
"Is it a child now?"
"No."
"Is it a child now?"
"No."
"Is it a child now?"
"No."
"Is it a child now?"
"No. Oh wait... Now it is."
And when do you count it as conception? When the sperm breaks through the outer part of the egg? There could be several sperm that make it that far, and the first one to reach the egg may not be the one that delivers the DNA payload.
I've tried explaining to you that it's not a yes or no question. It's not like a light switch which is either on or off. I am at a loss to understand how you seem incapable of grasping this concept.
Please, most abortions are done before 9 weeks.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2009/06/02/GR2009060200592.html
And do you really think that a woman is going to stay pregnant for 20+ weeks before deciding, "Nah, this really isn't for me"? After 20 weeks, you are getting close to what is called "late term abortion, and when it happens this late, it is often because of some fetal abnormality that would mean the baby can't survive.
I'm not asking you to provide a hierarchy. I'm asking you to answer a simple question.
Someone needs help from your body to survive. Are you obligated to provide such help?
I'm not asking you to choose between helping your kids or a stranger.
Medically speaking, a fetus does take what it needs from it's host- that isn't new knowledge.
What you think I'm implying isn't germane. Makes more sense to address what I actually wrote, yes?
I'm not asking you to provide a hierarchy. I'm asking you to answer a simple question.
Someone needs help from your body to survive. Are you obligated to provide such help?
I'm not asking you to choose between helping your kids or a stranger.
I'll repeat it again for you, so we are clear. If it is your child, you have responsibility as a parent to keep it alive.
Medically-speaking, fetus can't "take" anything in context of a process that's designed to do what it's supposed to do - produce a child.
A car doesn't "take" tires from a factory. Factory is producing a car as a process.
Likewise, it's a symbiotic process in context of societal dynamics. We take care of our children, and our children then take care of us. That's how humanity was able to achieve what we have today.
What you wrote is that:
1) It's a "hostage situation", which is absurd. We have a very specific definition for hostage situation, and it's generally involves HOSTILITY, or from latin hostis - a stranger or enemy. Just because host and hostage share first 4 letters doesn't make them semantically same.
2) Sure, parent is much more than a caregiver, we agree. Yes, virtually all of the parents are taking on these responsibilities to their detriment, both physically, financially, psychologically, you name it.
BUT
The comfort that you are experiencing today when it comes to having a society of people that built stuff that works is predominately because there are parents who don't abdicate their parental responsibilities to keep societies functional.
I know it's difficult to grasp having the atomized view of "my body... I can do what I want", but your body wouldn't exist if your parents didn't choose to go through the trouble of feeding you through maturity. Just because we have a right to bodily integrity (no forceful organ removal or blood donation), don't mean that we all of a sudden don't have responsibilities as parents or as a members of a society which has a long history of people trying to provide viable means of existence for other people. If we collectively care about disabled and unwanted children, I think we should collectively care about unwanted "fetuses".
If your definition of "child" implies personhood
and your definition of "personhood" excludes fetuses
then while someone might agree with the statement that parents have a responsibility to keep their children alive, they would disagree with the statement that a mother has a responsibility not to have an abortion.
Actually, it is exactly as Yahweh said 2000 years ago that it would be.
(totally wicked)
When the sin has reached its final point, the wickedness is full for judgment,
Jesus Returns and Saves His people, and rules the whole world with an iron fist.
So, yes, obviously, the current state of politics proves perfectly how sinful and wicked all men are ..... throughout the world, as well as on forums.... honesty and truth are forsaken and forgotten, righteousness is unheard of,
and Yahweh (God) is rejected.
The above is only a problem and a paradox if we adopt your ideology. I have no problem there, because parent/child is a definition of a relationship rather than a singular state.
Obviously at some point in time you have to point out where you think the "clump of cells' turns into a child. And the fact that you don't know or you can't is probably not a good defence in favor of your position.
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