My Israel Challenge

[AV1611VET]

It is the year 1611.

Is Israel the Promised Land?

 

[HitchSlap]

What's a "Promised Land?"

 

[Kylie]

If you mean "promised to a certain group of people by God," then no. If you mean, "believed to have been promised to a certain group of people by God," then yes.

(And why do I get the feeling that you wanted me in particular to answer this question?)

 

[Strathos]

What is the point of this?

 

[AV1611VET]

What is the point of this?

To get a ratio of who thinks Israel was promised by God or by government.

 

[Davian]

To get a ratio of who thinks Israel was promised by God or by government.

I don't see those as choices on your poll.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

To get a ratio of who thinks Israel was promised by God or by government.

It was promised to a people long before 1611, and what makes you think this date is of any importance whatsoever? Israel entered there promised land long ago, long, long before 1611. That they then lost it is a personal problem, brought about by their own behavior. That governments then gave it back makes no difference one way or the other.

 

[AV1611VET]

It was promised to a people long before 1611, and what makes you think this date is of any importance whatsoever?

It's an arbitrary date I wanted to pick between AD 70 and 1948.

I didn't want to give a date after 1948, or they would say:

Ya ... it's the Promised Land, because it was promised to them by a series of governmental actions.

I didn't want to say prior to AD 70, because AD 70 is when the "times of the Gentiles" started, and will end at Armageddon.

 

[Strathos]

It was promised to a people long before 1611, and what makes you think this date is of any importance whatsoever? Israel entered there promised land long ago, long, long before 1611. That they then lost it is a personal problem, brought about by their own behavior. That governments then gave it back makes no difference one way or the other.

This is basically true.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

It is the year 1611. Is Israel the Promised Land?

You got it.

 

[kellhus]

Israel didn't exist in 1611. It wasn't founded until the 20th century.

 

[Strathos]

Israel didn't exist in 1611. It wasn't founded until the 20th century.

I think he means the land that is now known as Isreal, either that or the land that was known as Israel in Biblical times.

 

[SweetTatia]

God is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. Yizroel is God's chosen from the moment he made a covenant with Abraham.

 

[Tishri1]

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[apache1]

It is the year 1611.

Is Israel the Promised Land?

I don't know about over there, but in North America, for the most part, 1611 the ecosystem and Native Indians were still largely intact, though would soon change. If I were in Virginia or North Carolina region, I would be keeping my eye on the Jamestown Colony to see what they were up to. Too bad same couldn't be same for Indians south of the border, as in Mexico and Peru, for dirtbag conquistadores had already largely done them in.

 

[Supreme]

It's pretty clear that Europeans in 1611 would have seen the Holy Land as the Promised Land- however, promised to who? European Christians would undoubtedly have seen it as promised to them, as we are talking a couple of hundred years after the Crusades (and always the dim prospect of another Crusade against the Turks).

 

[OldWiseGuy]

see next post

 

[OldWiseGuy]

The land of Canaan was indeed promised to Abraham, and eventually to the nation of Israel. But the fullness of those promises could never have been fulfilled in the land of Canaan alone. They were only fulfilled in the British and American empires in the last 400 years.

Notice too that the modern state of Israel only occupies the land lying mainly west of the Jordan River, leaving Israel with little more than one-half of the ancient real estate.

It is only in a much larger land that the promised "multitudes as numerous as the sands of the sea", or "chariots without number" could be fulfilled.

It is noteworthy however that the Jews, the descendants of the tribe of Judah, have now acquired much more land than was their allotment in ancient Israel. This of course leaves the other tribal descendants wanting for land there- but not elsewhere. Their inheritance now is principally among the lands of northern Europe and America.

 

[BlandOatmeal]

Jews pray toward Jerusalem every day, recognizing it as their homeland promised by God. Every year at Passover, Jews greet one another, saying "Next year in Jerusalem". They have done this for some 2,000 years. They certainly did this in 1611.

 

[AV1611VET]

In light of the way a few posts are going, this seems like an appropriate thread to bring back up:

It is the year 1611.

Is Israel the Promised Land?