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Oh, I see what you mean now.But the emotional response for the situation is there nontheless
The peace of GOD which surpasses all understanding shall guard our heart and our mind IN CHRIST JESUS
That is my response
Aren't we His ambassadors?Well, then, why are we trying to help Him now?
It would not take off in such a state.Maybe that's what the flight attendants could be trained to tell the passengers to calm them down ... ya think?
Evolutionist1: Hey, Joe, wasn't that an engine part I just saw fall off?
Evolutionist2: Oh, oh. ABORT TAKEOFF! ABORT TAKEOFF!
Flight Attendant: Don't worry, sir. These things become land carriages when things like this happen.
Evolutionist2: Whew! Thanks!
Captain: This is your captain speaking, brace for impact!
Evolultionist1: Here we go. L'Aquila all over again!
Some think they're ambassadors for Christ, while telling others they are mutant copy errors made in the image & likeness of God, and implying an ape died on the Cross to save us from sins, and that the fact that it's AD, and we celebrate Christmas and Easter, while singing songs to uplift Jesus Christ don't mean a hoot, since Allah could have ambassadors doing the same thing.Help HIM to do what? I thought HE is SOVEREIGN
In response to that ISAIAH 8 is sufficientSome think they're ambassadors for Christ, while telling others they are mutant copy errors made in the image & likeness of God, and implying an ape died on the Cross to save us from sins, and that the fact that it's AD, and we celebrate Christmas and Easter, while singing songs to uplift Jesus Christ don't mean a hoot, since Allah could have ambassadors doing the same thing.
Not to mention the idea that JEPD ... not JAH ... wrote the Bible.
Sir, I don't know if you're interested in this conversation at all or not - tell me straight if not, please. Do you think that we can see in nature, an intelligence of unimaginable complexity and harmony, that we can call "laws of nature", or "God" as a personified and anthropomorphic entity. No matter how we approach this phenomenon that we both do observe, and not matter in which terms we express the same idea. Do you think so? Thinking most most broadly. I know you probably reject "God" as an "old man in heaven" idea, but not in its manifestation in the utmost perfection, balance, consistency and beauty in the world we know? If you understand what I mean.
You know, there's been sooo much fighting-fighting just for the sake of fighting, or playing all sorts of games from all sides for whatever self-puffing reasons, that sometimes I get tired and just want to sit down and find a common ground of our humanity and zeal to know more. I'm sincere.
It will if it reaches V2.It would not take off in such a state.
Aren't we His ambassadors?
No, I dont.
I reject all metaphysics.
Yes.Well are Christ's ambassadors to plead to all people, please reconcile with God.
I get it. However, can't you try and step back a mile or so, and look at the forest and not the trees? General view, above any terminology, of the phenomenon of this world from our place as observers? Example: you do accept the body of laws of nature, don't you? I like to call it God. I can call it "Qudai", no difference. Right? Just my way of thinking. Or you insist on only a certain way of describing it? You and I agree on F = m * a, or 2 +2 =4, or "repetition causes development of conditional reflex" etc., don't we??? I don't want you to subscribe to any metaphysics "under any gravy" (as we say in my language). I'm not pulling you into any fairy tales, just hard reality we see, feel, know. I will not turn around and arrogantly declare you a believer in God, or anything. Just trying to change the tone of conversation from confrontational to unifying, if you see what I mean...
Sorry for my persistence
Sorry, general apolgetic isnt allowed here on this subforum.
I dont begrudge you your faith or want you to accept my views, I certainly want to keep the debate civil and no hostility intended.
Well, no; wrong - not 'above terminology' - calling it God or 'Qudai' is very definitely terminology....General view, above any terminology, of the phenomenon of this world from our place as observers? Example: you do accept the body of laws of nature, don't you? I like to call it God. I can call it "Qudai", no difference. Right?
Well, no; wrong - not 'above terminology' - calling it God or 'Qudai' is very definitely terminology.
But why would anyone do that? Calling the laws of nature 'God', with all the baggage that word entails, is just asking for confusion. What next, General Relativity as the Father, Thermodynamics as the Son, and Quantum Mechanics as the Holy Spirit? Should we worship the laws of nature? do they work miracles??
I don't understand your meaning: are you saying we are all missing a limb?We all "took off" and in such a state as we were
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