My great great granfather was not a monkey!!!!!

RightWingGirl · Dec 21, 2005

My g-g-g-(etc.) Grandfather was William Wallace.

FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Aron-Ra · Dec 21, 2005

RightWingGirl said:
My g-g-g-(etc.) Grandfather was William Wallace.

FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I got that beat. My g-g-g-g-g grandparents were none other than Odin and Freja of Asgaard.

And I'm not kidding either. I can show documentation (in hardcopy) to prove it!
I am descended of viking gods!

ashibaka · Dec 21, 2005

john crawford said:
I'm completely out of your neo-Darwinist mindset. That's for sure.

BINGO!!!

john crawford · Dec 23, 2005

Aron-Ra said:
I got that beat. My g-g-g-g-g grandparents were none other than Odin and Freja of Asgaard.

And I'm not kidding either. I can show documentation (in hardcopy) to prove it!
I am descended of viking gods!

The Vikings were Scandinavian Caucasians who descended from Neanderthals after the Ice Age caused by the flood receded.

john crawford · Dec 23, 2005

ashibaka said:
BINGO!!!

Did I win?

Aron-Ra · Dec 23, 2005

john crawford said:
The Vikings were Scandinavian Caucasians who descended from Neanderthals after the Ice Age caused by the flood receded.

There was never any global flood. That was just an old story. And the vikings were caucasians; but for that very reason, they could not have been descended from neandertals. Now go take your medication.

Valkhorn · Dec 23, 2005

The Vikings were Scandinavian Caucasians who descended from Neanderthals after the Ice Age caused by the flood receded.

Wow. Just. Wow.

I really don't know what to say to that.

Maybe John never got the memo - Neandrethals died out and never passed on to Homo Sapiens. They were a dead branch of the evolutionary tree.

And, I'd love to see how an ice age caused by a flood could have yielded so much damned ice in a place that gets less than a millimeter of liquid precipitation per year.

I do not know what to say to this guy, except I'm certain hardly anyone can even take him seriously with lies like that.

Valkhorn · Dec 23, 2005

My g-g-g-(etc.) Grandfather was William Wallace.

My ancestors were mostly English...

john crawford · Dec 23, 2005

Aron-Ra said:
There was never any global flood. That was just an old story. And the vikings were caucasians; but for that very reason, they could not have been descended from neandertals. Now go take your medication.

Ooo. It's Doctor Darwin himself. Tell us professor, why Asians and Caucasian Vikings cannot be descended from Caucasian Neanderthals.

john crawford · Dec 23, 2005

Valkhorn said:
Maybe John never got the memo - Neandrethals died out and never passed on to Homo Sapiens. They were a dead branch of the evolutionary tree.

That's just a neo-Darwinist racial theory since Caucasian Heidleberg Man descended from Caucasian Neanderthal Man and the Caucasian Vikings descended from Caucasian Cro-Magnon Man who descended from Heidleberg Man. Hang that ancestry on the dead racial branch of your neo-Darwinist family tree.

And, I'd love to see how an ice age caused by a flood could have yielded so much damned ice in a place that gets less than a millimeter of liquid precipitation per year.

Too bad you missed out on that historic event.

I do not know what to say to this guy, except I'm certain hardly anyone can even take him seriously with lies like that.

Just repeat the lies of some neo-Darwinist race theorists. The bigger the secular lie, the more likely people are to believe it.

john crawford · Dec 23, 2005

Valkhorn said:
My ancestors were mostly English...

My mother was English with Welsh ancestry. Dad was a Canadian-American misfit.

Aron-Ra · Dec 23, 2005

john crawford said:
Ooo. It's Doctor Darwin himself. Tell us professor, why Asians and Caucasian Vikings cannot be descended from Caucasian Neanderthals.

Because neandertals weren't Caucasians. Caucasian is a deme within Homo sapiens sapiens. Most European Caucasians today are actually descended -originally- from migrants from Iran within the last few thousand years. That's where we get the word, "Aryan". Before them were the cro-magnon peoples who moved into Europe some 40,000 years ago, when the neandertals were already on their way out.

Any race who moves out of the tropics will become lighter-skinned after a few thousand years. Similarly, the descendants of any race that moves into the tropics will be born darker than their ancestors. We've seen this in several distinct lineages already. It has to do with the balance between the amount of ultraviolet radiation under direct sunlight versus the amount of vitamin D, which we need from the sun, and can't absorb if the sun is low in the sky, and our skin is too dark. Conversely, dark skin can still absorb vitimin D under an overhead sun even with the darker skin, which is needed to protect against excess radiation in the tropics.

Jet Black · Dec 23, 2005

john crawford said:
Ooo. It's Doctor Darwin himself. Tell us professor, why Asians and Caucasian Vikings cannot be descended from Caucasian Neanderthals.

Because Caucasian Neanderthals turned into Oompah Loompahs.

Ryal Kane · Dec 23, 2005

Honestly, it's like arguing with a parrot.

john crawford · Dec 24, 2005

Aron-Ra said:
Because neandertals weren't Caucasians.

Our Neanderthal ancestors originated from the Caucasus Mountain Range after Noah's Ark landed there. They certainly didn't migrate from Africa since no Neanderthal fossils are found there.

Caucasian is a deme within Homo sapiens sapiens. Most European Caucasians today are actually descended -originally- from migrants from Iran within the last few thousand years. That's where we get the word, "Aryan".

Aryans themselves were descended from Neanderthals a few thousand years before that.

Before them were the cro-magnon peoples who moved into Europe some 40,000 years ago, when the neandertals were already on their way out.

Cro-Magnons are descendents of Heidleberg Man whose ancestors were 900 year old Neanderthals.

Any race who moves out of the tropics will become lighter-skinned after a few thousand years.

Oh, I never noticed. Of course, I haven't been around for a few thousand years like you must be to have observed such changes in skin tones over that period of time.

john crawford · Dec 24, 2005

Ryal Kane said:
Honestly, it's like arguing with a parrot.

What do you argue about with parrots? Just curious.

Aron-Ra · Dec 24, 2005

john crawford said:
What do you argue about with parrots? Just curious.

I don't. There's no point in talking to something that just squawks nonsense, and doesn't even understand what its saying.

So goodnight, John.

john crawford · Dec 24, 2005

Aron-Ra said:
I don't. There's no point in talking to something that just squawks nonsense, and doesn't even understand what its saying.

So goodnight, John.

Merry Christmas to all, and to Aron-Ra, a good night.

Manic Depressive Mouse · Dec 28, 2005

John, you do realise that studies of Neaderthal mitochondrial DNA have shown that they did not breed with homo-sapiens and are not part of our evolutionary history. As others have pointed out they were an evolutionary dead end, they're extinct.

Look:
[size=-1]March 28[/size][size=+1] DNA from the bones of a Neanderthal baby who died 29,000 years ago offers further evidence that Neanderthals are cousins rather than ancestors of modern humans.[/size]
Writing in Thursdays issue of the journal Nature, William Goodwin of the University of Glasgow in Scotland, along with collaborators from Russia and Sweden, report that the babys DNA is much more similar to another Neanderthal DNA sequence reported in 1997 than to that of modern humans.

[size=+1]Evolution or Replacement?[/size]
Some anthropologists have argued that people evolved at least partly from the Neanderthals. The opposing theory is that modern humans evolved in Africa, then spread outward, overwhelming earlier hominids including Neanderthals. The short, squat Neanderthals inhabited much of Europe from about 100,000 years ago until dying out about 28,000 years ago.
"Neanderthal DNA is distinct from modern humans," Goodwin says, "and there are no examples of humans having Neanderthal-type DNA."

[size=-2]The shaded area indicates the known range of Neanderthals. Mezmaiskaya is the location where the baby Neanderthal whose DNA was sequenced was found. An earlier Neanderthal DNA sequence was determined from bones found in Feldhofer Cave in Germany.[/size]
[size=-2](ABCNEWS.com/ Magellan Geographix)[/size]

The researchers isolated segments of DNA from the babys mitochondria small, energy-producing bodies within a cell that contain their own genetic code separate the main DNA strand in the nucleus of the cell. Mitochondrial DNA is easier to study, because each cell contains about 1,000 mitochondria, meaning there are about 1,000 times more DNA strands to extract. Unlike cell DNA, mitochondrial DNA is inherited only from the mother.

[size=+1]Not Human Enough[/size]
The babys mitochondrial DNA differed from that of the other Neanderthal in 3.5 percent of the locations tested, while the divergence from humans was 7 percent. Scientists consider that to be a substantial gap. "It all points away from the Neanderthal," Goodwin says.
Based on the number of differences, and the expected rate of change, Neanderthals and humans last shared a common ancestor about 500,000 years ago, the researchers say.
The Neanderthal DNA was also no more similar to the DNA of Europeans than people elsewhere, which might have been expected if Neanderthals had mated in large numbers with their human neighbors in Europe.
The baby, found in Russias Caucasus Mountains, has been estimated in age at somewhere between an unborn 7-month-old fetus and a newborn of a couple of months. Molecular biologist Matthias Hoss, an expert in ancient remains now working at the Swiss Institute for Cancer Research, said the research appears to support the theory that Neanderthals were an evolutionary dead end.
"This adds quite a lot of confidence that the Neanderthal didnt contribute to modern populations," he said.

john crawford · Dec 29, 2005

Manic Depressive Mouse said:
John, you do realise that studies of Neaderthal mitochondrial DNA have shown that they did not breed with homo-sapiens and are not part of our evolutionary history. As others have pointed out they were an evolutionary dead end, they're extinct.

Yes, I know. Neo-Darwinist race theorists will do and say anything to suppress the fact that Neanderthals were descendents of Noah and that all human beings have devolved from them during the last 8000 years. They would rather you believe that African people originated from apes in Africa once upon a time.

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