My God is not dead!

[LoAmmi]

Also you didn't have to claim you think your the smartest person in the world. I also didn't say you were the smartest person in the world. I said people act that way all the time like they're better than everyone else, especially atheist down talking Christians.

As well as Christians who talk down to atheists, yeah?

 

[XB3LI3V3RX]

As well as Christians who talk down to atheists, yeah?

I honestly have never heard a Christian say an atheist is crazy or what they believe (or don't believe) is "dumb". I get told to grow up and stop believing in "fairytales" all the time, but if I were to say one thing back to an atheist then they would be all over me saying I was a bad Christian or something else ridiculous.

~<Learn to Follow the Wolves>~

 

[Eudaimonist]

I honestly have never heard a Christian say an atheist is crazy or what they believe (or don't believe) is "dumb".

I'll take your word for it, but I've seen it quite often online.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[LoAmmi]

I honestly have never heard a Christian say an atheist is crazy or what they believe (or don't believe) is "dumb". I get told to grow up and stop believing in "fairytales" all the time, but if I were to say one thing back to an atheist then they would be all over me saying I was a bad Christian or something else ridiculous.

You haven't spent much time treading this particular sub forum, have you?

 

[XB3LI3V3RX]

You haven't spent much time treading this particular sub forum, have you?

In all honestly, no I haven't read anyone's threads under this one.

~<Learn to Follow the Wolves>~

 

[LoAmmi]

In all honestly, no I haven't read anyone's threads under this one.

Well, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but plenty of Christians do mock those of other faiths as well as atheists. Every group has bad apples.

 

[morningstar2651]

Excuse me, did I say that, or reference any site?

You quoted this website.

Phil Maffetone, www.philmaffetone.com - MMT

Which offers this "training" in Manual Biofeedback for $89.

Phil Maffetone, www.philmaffetone.com - Manual Biofeedback

The guy is a charlatan. Not the best website to quote on the matter - he's trying to sell his snake oil. It doesn't work.

 

[morningstar2651]

I honestly have never heard a Christian say an atheist is crazy or what they believe (or don't believe) is "dumb". I get told to grow up and stop believing in "fairytales" all the time, but if I were to say one thing back to an atheist then they would be all over me saying I was a bad Christian or something else ridiculous.

~<Learn to Follow the Wolves>~

I have. Same with other religions as well. If you take time to read some of the threads in this folder - particularly the older threads - you'll see it too. You've got to have some thick skin to jump into some of these discussions - you need to be able to accept criticism and sometimes even admit that you may be wrong about something (though not necessarily your religion as a whole, but people being healed by faith and/or prayer is something that you might be wrong on)

Every religion has a population of jerks. Groups like Westboro aren't limited to Christianity.

Well I guess that's where we don't believe the same. If I hear someone say they were healed by God, then I'm not going to disagree with them and say God didn't heal them.

~<Learn to Follow the Wolves>~

The charlatans and frauds count on your blind acceptance of these claims. They take advantage of the faithful when they are at their most vulnerable - when they are sick or dying. They are after money, and they promise these miraculous results...but they are in it for the money. It's abusive.

• Diabetics throw away their medication and die.
• Parents don't get medicines that could save their children and their children die (plural in this case - 2 children died and the parents are charged with 3rd degree murder).
• Faith-Healing Churches Linked to 2 Dozen Child Deaths.

The dangers of faith healing are why the rules of Christian Forums state "Do not direct, imply, or suggest that others should disregard doctors' orders regarding medical diagnosis and/or treatment."

One review published in 1998 looked at 172 cases of deaths among children treated by faith healing instead of conventional methods. These researchers estimated that if conventional treatment had been given, the survival rate for most of these children would have been more than 90 percent, with the remainder of the children also having a good chance of survival. A more recent study found that more than 200 children had died of treatable illnesses in the United States over the past thirty years because their parents relied on spiritual healing rather than conventional medical treatment.

These are real people who believed that god was curing them that instead ended up dead because they refused conventional medical treatment.

Lets get some of your misconceptions out of the way. One, I don't care if you believe me, if you do great, if you don't then oh well I tried.

I doubt that. If you truly believe that we Non-Christians are damned to eternal punishment, you would do everything in your power to convince us...wouldn't you? If you saw a man drowning, you wouldn't watch him die - you would do everything in your power to save him...right?

 

[HitchSlap]

I honestly have never heard a Christian say an atheist is crazy or what they believe (or don't believe) is "dumb". I get told to grow up and stop believing in "fairytales" all the time, but if I were to say one thing back to an atheist then they would be all over me saying I was a bad Christian or something else ridiculous.

~<Learn to Follow the Wolves>~

If I had a nickel every time a Christian posted "the fool has said in his heart," I'd be a nickelaire.

 

[XB3LI3V3RX]

I have. Same with other religions as well. If you take time to read some of the threads in this folder - particularly the older threads - you'll see it too. You've got to have some thick skin to jump into some of these discussions - you need to be able to accept criticism and sometimes even admit that you may be wrong about something (though not necessarily your religion as a whole, but people being healed by faith and/or prayer is something that you might be wrong on)

Every religion has a population of jerks. Groups like Westboro aren't limited to Christianity.

The charlatans and frauds count on your blind acceptance of these claims. They take advantage of the faithful when they are at their most vulnerable - when they are sick or dying. They are after money, and they promise these miraculous results...but they are in it for the money. It's abusive.


[*]Diabetics throw away their medication and die.
[*]Parents don't get medicines that could save their children and their children die (plural in this case - 2 children died and the parents are charged with 3rd degree murder).
[*]Faith-Healing Churches Linked to 2 Dozen Child Deaths.


The dangers of faith healing are why the rules of Christian Forums state "Do not direct, imply, or suggest that others should disregard doctors' orders regarding medical diagnosis and/or treatment."

One review published in 1998 looked at 172 cases of deaths among children treated by faith healing instead of conventional methods. These researchers estimated that if conventional treatment had been given, the survival rate for most of these children would have been more than 90 percent, with the remainder of the children also having a good chance of survival. A more recent study found that more than 200 children had died of treatable illnesses in the United States over the past thirty years because their parents relied on spiritual healing rather than conventional medical treatment.

These are real people who believed that god was curing them that instead ended up dead because they refused conventional medical treatment.

I doubt that. If you truly believe that we Non-Christians are damned to eternal punishment, you would do everything in your power to convince us...wouldn't you? If you saw a man drowning, you wouldn't watch him die - you would do everything in your power to save him...right?

Your talking about fake healers who trick people into thinking they can perform miracles and make people pay money for it.
Mat 24:3-5,10-11 (NIV) ..."Tell us," they said, "when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?" Jesus answered, "Watch out that no one deceives you, for many will come in my name,.. At that time many will turn away from the faith... and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people."

Even Jesus warned against people like that. This place I went to was just a church camp that's supposed to be fun for everyone and to get closer to God. No one there knew what that night would have in store for us except God.

I also have another experience of amazing healing that happened when I just was giving my life to God and this changed my whole view. There was cops and paramedics there at the church to see this miracle too. You people would mock me though, so that's why I only tell people close to me that experience who actually believe in miracles.

And to answer your question yes I would.

~<Learn to Follow the Wolves>~

 

[morningstar2651]

Your talking about fake healers who trick people into thinking they can perform miracles and make people pay money for it.
Mat 24:3-5,10-11 (NIV) ..."Tell us," they said, "when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?" Jesus answered, "Watch out that no one deceives you, for many will come in my name,.. At that time many will turn away from the faith... and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people."

Even Jesus warned against people like that. This place I went to was just a church camp that's supposed to be fun for everyone and to get closer to God. No one there knew what that night would have in store for us except God.

I also have another experience of amazing healing that happened when I just was giving my life to God and this changed my whole view. There was cops and paramedics there at the church to see this miracle too. You people would mock me though, so that's why I only tell people close to me that experience who actually believe in miracles.

And to answer your question yes I would.

~<Learn to Follow the Wolves>~

Then why did you tell us if you won't give us any details? If the only people you'll discuss it with are people that already believe you without questioning the story, then you never have to face questions or criticism. You can sit around in your hugbox all day, never having to consider the possibility that you were wrong.

Most people, when presented with an unlikely story, will either dismiss it outright or investigate it. If you're unwilling to have this story investigated, then our only alternative course is to throw out the story as nothing more than a story.

 

[XB3LI3V3RX]

Then why did you tell us if you won't give us any details? If the only people you'll discuss it with are people that already believe you without questioning the story, then you never have to face questions or criticism. You can sit around in your hugbox all day, never having to consider the possibility that you were wrong.

Most people, when presented with an unlikely story, will either dismiss it outright or investigate it. If you're unwilling to have this story investigated, then our only alternative course is to throw out the story as nothing more than a story.

Fine by me, because all of you people dismiss everything you don't agree with (which is pretty much everything any Christian says) anyway, so what's the point?

~<Learn to Follow the Wolves>~

 

[awitch]

Fine by me, because all of you people dismiss everything you don't agree with

UNLESS we have sufficiently convincing evidence. If everyone here really just dismissed whatever we happen to disagree with, there wouldn't be 250 posts and all sorts of requests asking for details.

 

[mandelduke]

Yes, I'm saying that nobody with CP was healed at your youth camp. Don't be ridiculous.

Cerebral palsy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I would sure hate to be you on judgment day.

 

[mandelduke]

Fine by me, because all of you people dismiss everything you don't agree with (which is pretty much everything any Christian says) anyway, so what's the point?

~<Learn to Follow the Wolves>~

Brother there is a reason Jesus said don’t cast your pearls to the swine!

 

[Eudaimonist]

Brother there is a reason Jesus said don’t cast your pearls to the swine!

Gotta love how Christians call non-Christians "swine".


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[awitch]

Gotta love how Christians call non-Christians "swine".

Especially when you're a duck (Though pigs make good sidekicks)

 

[XB3LI3V3RX]

Brother there is a reason Jesus said don’t cast your pearls to the swine!

I see that now.

~<Learn to Follow the Wolves>~

 

[gord44]

Brother there is a reason Jesus said don’t cast your pearls to the swine!

That's assuming one is casting pearls.

 

[HitchSlap]

Brother there is a reason Jesus said don’t cast your pearls to the swine!

To the OP, here we have a "Christian" calling an atheist a pig.

Stay classy Christians.