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My Flat Earth Challenge

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The Flat Earth model posits that
1. The earth is a flat disc with the north pole at the center of the disc.
2. The coast of Antarctica is distributed along the circumference of the edge of the disk.
3. The entire disk rotates about an axis that is perpendicular to the ground at the north pole.​

If that’s true, it necessarily means that
4. No one on Earth can see any part of the sky that is below the plane of the earth’s disc (except for maybe those agents of the international Illuminati/NASA/Freemason/Fluoridated Water black-ops conspiracy who are supposed to be keeping people from visiting Antarctica and doing a poor job of it - but they don't count because they ain't talking).
5. Every observer anywhere on earth, when looking at the sky, will see that
a.) All celestial objects move in a counterclockwise direction, along circles that have the North Star (Polaris) at the center.
b.) No celestial object will move along circles that have a center point other than Polaris, or in a clockwise direction around their center point.​

THE CHALLENGE:
We will meet in Guayaquil, Ecuador. I’ve picked Ecuador for the obvious reason that it’s on the equator, and for the less obvious reason that while we’re there I want go to Montecristi to buy a Panama hat and Guayaquil is the closest major airport (for more on this visit www.brentblack.com to see why you really need to get a good Panama hat).

From Guayaquil we will travel to San Lorenzo, chosen because it’s on the beach and I’ll be in the mood to hang out on the beach in Ecuador in February and eat seafood and stuff. Oh yeah, I forgot – let’s do this in February because Michigan sucks in February unless maybe you’re a deranged downhill skier (which, in fact, I am, but even with that Michigan still sucks in February).

On the beach, at a sufficiently dark location, we will erect a clear dome of some appropriate construction such that it can hold three people and a chair, which will be in the center of the dome. The third person will be a disinterested third party agreed on by both of us (a local priest or nun, perhaps), who is hereinafter called The Observer. After sunset, we will pick three or four bright stars in both the northern and southern hemispheres and mark their locations on the surface of the dome, as seen from The Observer as he sits in the chair. After The Observer indicates the positions of the stars we will each in turn sit in the chair to confirm that we agree with his selection.

The Observer will make observations hourly in this manner until sunup. We will remain awake by drinking caffeinated beverages, eating the weirdest local food we can find, and discussing Life, the Universe, and Everything. The entire event will be streamed live to the web; yes, it will probably be pretty boring for the people watching it but it won't be any more boring than the video that guy made of a bubble level while he flew to Oz.

At dawn, we will inspect the paths of the stars that are recorded on the dome. If the paths are consistent with 5a and 5b given above then the Flat Earth model will have been proven to be true and the Globe Earth model proven false, otherwise the Flat Earth model will have been proven false and the Globe Earth model proven true.

The loser of the challenge will:
1. Admit on live-streamed video that he lost, and that his model has been definitively and finally proven to be false.
2. Solemnly swear to always in the future publicly affirm and teach the proven model, especially when he hears someone espouse the disproven model.
3. Eat (also on video) an entire Cuy Asado (roasted guinea pig) and a serving of Librillo (a local dish made of the stomach of a cow).
4. Travel with the winner to Montecristi, and there purchase for him the finest Panama hat in town.
5. Pay the full cost of the winner’s trip, including travel expenses, lodging, and meals (not including alcoholic beverages) using funds which will have been previously deposited in an escrow account.​

Any takers? Obviously, I take the Globe Earth position.
 
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Not much of a vaycay
 
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Looks as if the penalties incurred on the loser contravene the UN charter of inflicting cruel and unusual punishment.
 
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I don't understand the logic behind the experiment, but it sounds like a great trip! Can I bring my dog?
The logic seems pretty obvious to me. Picture yourself lying on the ground looking up at a spinning disc that extends to infinity in all directions... every point on it will be revolving around the one central axis, in one direction.

I'm a dog person, so sure! However, pets must be paid for by their owners, as are friends and family. I don't want to be overly tempted to bankrupt my opponent.
 
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Looks as if the penalties incurred on the loser contravene the UN charter of inflicting cruel and unusual punishment.
Hanging out with flat earthers would be torture.
 
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Not much of a vaycay
To each his own, I suppose. I've heard that Ecuador's a great place to visit.

Looks as if the penalties incurred on the loser contravene the UN charter of inflicting cruel and unusual punishment.
Why should my opponent have to worry about it, if he's so sure of winning?

Hanging out with flat earthers would be torture
Ooohhhh... snap. I forgot about that.

Well, I guess I gotta take one for the team. Y'all will owe me BIG!
 
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To each his own, I suppose. I've heard that Ecuador's a great place to visit.


Why should my opponent have to worry about it, if he's so sure of winning?
It's the flat earthers, not Ecuador.
 
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Okay, modification to the challenge:
"We will remain awake by drinking caffeinated beverages, eating the weirdest local food we can find, and discussing Life, the Universe, and Everything, except that any discussion of the topic of the challenge is forbidden other than that necessary to perform the observations. Discussions of music, downhill skiing, food and "is there such a thing as chili with beans" (the answer to which is NO!) are good.
 
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Could we also have 3 chairs? The nun may get tired standing up all night.
 
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You have been exposed to false flat earth information 3#. Is not a true observation of Biblical flat earth beliefs.
If you prefer:
3. The disc of the earth is fixed, and the sky rotates about an axis perpendicular to the ground, passing through (or near) the North Star (Polaris) and intersecting the earth at the geographic North Pole.

Happy now? It doesn't make any difference to me.
 
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Everyone knows that Antarctica and the great ice wall is there to stop the water pouring off of the edge!
When I was small, my mother said "There is nothing east of Denver." I imagined that as where the world dropped off into the abyss.
 
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Any takers? Obviously, I take the Globe Earth position.

lol I know these people exist, but I have yet to ether meet one, or even see one like a person actually advocating it on a Blog or YouTube channel. I know there is suppose to be even a "Flat Earth Society" that has existed for decades...

But this seems almost like a viral internet Tulpa thing.

Tulpa - Wikipedia
 
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I have travelled by ship from the United States to Germany and Viet Nam. I did not fall off the edge either time. On both trips I observed that the United States appeared to sink into the ocean behind us after travelling for a while. I also noticed that Germany and Viet Nam appeared to rise up out of the ocean as we got closer to them. These observations would only be true if the earth was a globe versus a flat disk. Hope that helps.
 
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