My fellow CCers:

[Joy]

I was so glad to see you had been appointed to the Pastoral Team.

Please be assured of my on-going support and prayers.


Love

KarenJoy

 

[Macrina]

I was so glad to see you had been appointed to the Pastoral Team.

Please be assured of my on-going support and prayers.


Love

KarenJoy

Thank you!

And thanks to all who have offered support, prayers, and encouragement. I know everyone can benefit from giving that to one another.

 

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

Wow. I went to lunch and when I came back I saw everything went kablooie in the thread you were referring to Mac.

 

[GreenMunchkin]

That was unacceptable. Just horrifying.

 

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

That was unacceptable. Just horrifying.

It was. I can't understand why people have to hammer at others? Even if there are genuine questions...that was just not necessary.

 

[MrJim]

There was a time where the P meant something, but as long as one particular character (not a resident here)is considered one then the entire Pastor program is in the hopper and really means nothing.

 

[Macrina]

There was a time where the P meant something, but as long as one particular character (not a resident here)is considered one then the entire Pastor program is in the hopper and really means nothing.

If you have concerns, document them and send them to Constance.

But don't say it "means nothing."

 

[MrJim]

If you have concerns, document them and send them to Constance.

But don't say it "means nothing."

Already did but until it's he's out the P has no credibility, sorry

If there is no standard for what we are calling a Pastor in this cyber-realm then how can it mean anything ?

 

[Macrina]

Wow. I went to lunch and when I came back I saw everything went kablooie in the thread you were referring to Mac.

Yeah, but it's not just that thread. It's been all over the site in several different threads over the last week or so. Over the last few months, actually, getting worse and worse as time goes on.

SOMEONE needs to start taking the high road here.

 

[Macrina]

Already did but until it's he's out the P has no credibility, sorry

If there is no standard for what we are calling a Pastor in this cyber-realm then how can it mean anything ?

So, if it's that meaningless, then should I resign?

 

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

Already did but until it's he's out the P has no credibility, sorry

If there is no standard for what we are calling a Pastor in this cyber-realm then how can it mean anything ?

But Jim...there are other very competent people in that group of people. It's kinda offensive to those who are doing a good job and who are trying to make a difference to say they don't matter.

 

[MrJim]

But Jim...there are other very competent people in that group of people. It's kinda offensive to those who are doing a good job and who are trying to make a difference to say they don't matter.

Not what I'm saying~the title loses credibility, becomes meaningless. A person honestly ministering makes a difference regardless of title. But if people are allowed to be titled as site "clergy" with inadequate background checks, then that poses great danger to those that don't know.

 

[MrJim]

So, if it's that meaningless, then should I resign?

It may send a message to the powers that be regarding the Pastoral standard for 4U.

 

[Macrina]

If anyone objects to the characteristics of a team member, then the first thing to do is to calmly and rationally establish standards for the team. Pointing fingers and saying "this person doesn't live up to a standard" won't be effective unless you have already specified what standard you are working from.

 

[Time2BCounted]

I believe that one thing we should keep in our sites is this... not the politics of this whoile thing, but the spiritual ramifications. What christ will these pastors be administering to people seeking THE Christ? It is for souls that we ask for spiritual guidlines for our pastors and their beliefs. Souls and nothing more. I think it is wise imho, to consider that our destinations are eternal. I believe we should consider and insist on certain standards or we are remiss in our duties as watchmen. Its ok that not everyone is fitted for the battle, God has those in logistics and support, but we are all in this battle.

It is easy to begin to see it as a personal thing, which is wrong to do. But it is right to stand for foundation and guidelines that insure when someone IS looking for Christ, that they have the ability to FIND Christ and not a misrepresentation of Him. We desire they find salvation, not a preacher telling them there is no need for salation

 

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

Not what I'm saying~the title loses credibility, becomes meaningless. A person honestly ministering makes a difference regardless of title. But if people are allowed to be titled as site "clergy" with inadequate background checks, then that poses great danger to those that don't know.

But in order to make a difference and for their voice to be heard in this case, it is better they be apart of that particular group. I for one, was very relieved and happy to see Mac was on that team because I trust her and I know she'll look after the interests of conservative Christians. If she wasnt apart of the team her effectiveness would be less.

I know what your saying though...his being a P is definately a blow to that whole group as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Macrina]

I believe that one thing we should keep in our sites is this... not the politics of this whoile thing, but the spiritual ramifications. What christ will these pastors be administering to people seeking THE Christ? It is for souls that we ask for spiritual guidlines for our pastors and their beliefs. Souls and nothing more. I think it is wise imho, to consider that our destinations are eternal. I believe we should consider and insist on certain standards or we are remiss in our duties as watchmen. Its ok that not everyone is fitted for the battle, God has those in logistics and support, but we are all in this battle.

It is easy to begin to see it as a personal thing, which is wrong to do. But it is right to stand for foundation and guidelines that insure when someone IS looking for Christ, that they have the ability to FIND Christ and not a misrepresentation of Him. We desire they find salvation, not a preacher telling them there is no need for salation

I understand your concern, but I think there's a better way to go about it:

1) Work for the establishment of a general, site-wide standard (perhaps the Nicene Creed).

2) Keep the discussion focused on what the standard should be, and refuse to be derailed from your larger purpose by discussions of particular individuals.

3) Remain calm and rational, which will get more people to listen to you. Beware of phrasing things in a way which might alienate people who actually agree with you.

4) Once the standard is in place, use it to evaluate individual candidates and staff members. Until the standard is policy, it can't be used in that way, although it can cause a great deal of anger.

Look for the productive way, not just loudest way.

 

[Time2BCounted]

I understand your concern, but I think there's a better way to go about it:

1) Work for the establishment of a general, site-wide standard (perhaps the Nicene Creed).

2) Keep the discussion focused on what the standard should be, and refuse to be derailed from your larger purpose by discussions of particular individuals.

3) Remain calm and rational, which will get more people to listen to you. Beware of phrasing things in a way which might alienate people who actually agree with you.

4) Once the standard is in place, use it to evaluate individual candidates and staff members. Until the standard is policy, it can't be used in that way, although it can cause a great deal of anger.

Look for the productive way, not just loudest way.

Imho, thats pretty much what i am doing, and i would love to see us all stand together as a body to get these standards. From what i can see, this is the surest way to get it. Also if someone challenges this desire, i see no harm in establishing the fact that they oppose it possibly because they dont believe in these standards personally. We all have an agenda no matter which side we find ourselves on, so what would be the agenda of someone who doesnt want these standards? I cant see where it would be furthering truth and real salvaiton.

On the flip side i would expect to be challenged if i were posting in a thread asking that no standard would be used.

IMHO we who believe conservatively agree we need these standards, so lets do all we can of what it takes to obtain them in clear concise words so that there is no misunderstanding...

yesterday this was posted in the thread asking for the nicene creed... by Erwin and by Constance...

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I'm the site chaplain. A minister on the site needs to teach orthodox theology. We can go around and around about creeds and who complies with what without accomplishing anything.
To be clear, if a person with a P or on the pastoral team were to say something while on staff that contradicted the Nicene Creed, I would recommend that they be removed.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by constance
I'm the site chaplain. A minister on the site needs to teach orthodox theology. We can go around and around about creeds and who complies with what without accomplishing anything.
To be clear, if a person with a P or on the pastoral team were to say something while on staff that contradicted the Nicene Creed, I would recommend that they be removed.
I am 100% behind constance on this issue.

The question is now, how do we go about getting this officially ratified since this comes from 2 at the top and they seem to agree with us?

Can you start something in the wiki forum or the announcement forum to address ratifying this and making it the official stand in writing so that this is something that wont be backpeddled on in the future? I will certainly join you if youll start it, and i believe everyone in conservative would back this

 

[Macrina]

Imho, thats pretty much what i am doing, and i would love to see us all stand together as a body to get these standards. From what i can see, this is the surest way to get it. Also if someone challenges this desire, i see no harm in establishing the fact that they oppose it possibly because they dont believe in these standards personally. We all have an agenda no matter which side we find ourselves on, so what would be the agenda of someone who doesnt want these standards? I cant see where it would be furthering truth and real salvaiton.

On the flip side i would expect to be challenged if i were posting in a thread asking that no standard would be used.

IMHO we who believe conservatively agree we need these standards, so lets do all we can of what it takes to obtain them in clear concise words so that there is no misunderstanding...

yesterday this was posted in the thread asking for the nicene creed... by Erwin and by Constance...










The question is now, how do we go about getting this officially ratified since this comes from 2 at the top and they seem to agree with us?

Can you start something in the wiki forum or the announcement forum to address ratifying this and making it the official stand in writing so that this is something that wont be backpeddled on in the future? I will certainly join you if youll start it, and i believe everyone in conservative would back this

Please feel free to start it yourself -- just be vigilant that the tone stays non-antagonistic. That will get your point across much better.

 

[Criada]

So, if it's that meaningless, then should I resign?

No.
And it is very far from meaningless.
This place needs more like you sis - your wisdom and fairness is wonderful, and you bring a Godly perspective where it is lacking.

Tempers are a little high, and a lot of people are saying things that they probably don't entirely mean.


Let's all think before we post - sometimes it is easy to forget that there is a real person on the other end who could be hurt... that is the trouble with on line interaction..