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Wez awl hoamskood idjits cept for us smot ones who got they deeplomas from Paitreit Unaversety.I'm adding that to my list of all too common, unoriginal, favorite, meaningless comebacks. IOW, what we say when we have no real defense.
I had in mind something more like the Cambridge Dictionary definition:...com·mon sense
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- good sense and sound judgment in practical matters.
I rest my case unless someone else actually wants to tell me common sense has no place in determining where we came from.
I know; it can be confusing to those without a scientific background, because even scientists sometimes use the word colloquially (to mean 'established beyond reasonable doubt'). Here's an article that should help explain: Common misconceptions about science I: “Scientific proof”.While I'm at it, Here is another they (non believers) try to fiddle around with so it suits their purposes but not the opposing side:
"Science proves nothing" And how any one dares try to push that one is beyond me, but they do.
See, science is practically God when it comes to trying to prove their end, but when is comes down to actually "prove it" then "Science proves nothing" "and that's why we can't actually prove it."
Huh?
Seriously, this would be great stuff for a stand up routine, and I'm surprised some comedian hasn't latched on to it yet.
Frumious, this isn't all necessarily directed at you...some is, but this also brought to mind other things I though needed mentioning.
Fallacy? I realize how popular a term that is for defense of your side of this but it does nothing here.
com·mon sense
ˌkämən ˈsens/
noun
I rest my case unless someone else actually wants to tell me common sense has no place in determining where we came from.
- good sense and sound judgment in practical matters.
"use your common sense"
synonyms: good sense, sense, native wit, sensibleness, judgment, levelheadedness, prudence, discernment, canniness, astuteness, shrewdness, wisdom, insight, perception, perspicacity; More
Also, this brings to mind, the way some non believers try to do away with anything that works for their opposition, and how the attempts can get pretty outragous. The end result of this was to basically say "I'm sorry good sense isn't allowed in the debate on where we all came from"... exactly what I was supposed to have been convinced of here.
While I'm at it, Here is another they (non believers) try to fiddle around with so it suits their purposes but not the opposing side:
"Science proves nothing" And how any one dares try to push that one is beyond me, but they do.
See, science is practically God when it comes to trying to prove their end, but when is comes down to actually "prove it" then "Science proves nothing" "and that's why we can't actually prove it."
Huh?
Seriously, this would be great stuff for a stand up routine, and I'm surprised some comedian hasn't latched on to it yet.
You can quote Luke if you want, but you probably should have some context, we've all agreed to be in the debate sections of a forum where we challenge the ideas of others. Practically that calls for at least a tad bit of thicker skin. Reporting him to the Mods over that is rather sensitive for where we've all chosen to be.
I had in mind something more like the Cambridge Dictionary definition:
- the basic level of practical knowledge and judgment.
I know; it can be confusing to those without a scientific background, because even scientists sometimes use the word colloquially (to mean 'established beyond reasonable doubt'). Here's an article that should help explain: Common misconceptions about science I: “Scientific proof”.
I’m sorry to interfere in what seems to be a private argument, but the fundamental issue we all come on here to debate is nothing to do with common sense.
For atheists, there is absolutely no common sense in believing in god or gods.
Please explain what needs explaining here? To tell me science proves nothing is bunk....period.
Have faith if you like, that’s fine and is a personal thing, but common sense..... please leave that at out of s rational debate.
Please believe those of us who are scientists who have dedicated decades of our lives to science when we say that science isn't in the game of "proof".
Are you saying also, science proves nothing?
And that kind of common sense is a poor guide to the way the world works. The history of scientific discovery is the history of people discovering that what they thought was common sense was mistaken.And?
What does that change? Or are you just throwing it out there, and hoping it will land on someone who sides with you?Don't worry, you aren't the first to try to get us to believe common sense has no place here.
You appear not to realise that proofs are not part of empirical science, but are restricted to the analytic fields of maths and logic. The article explains this.Please explain what needs explaining here?
You can deny the facts, but it doesn't change them.To tell me science proves nothing is bunk....period. You got some more spin to add, then do it here, but don 't send me someplace that's going to try to do just as you did with the "common sense" term, that'll no more change my mind than you could.
And on your common, "you lose because you don't have a scientific back ground". I'm not a rocket scientist either, but if one of them lands in my front yard, you darn right I'll be telling them what not to do since they don't seem to have the sense to know themselves.
IOW, the comment means nothing, but whatever it takes I suppose to create the illusion of being right.
Science attempts to establish facts by preponderance of evidence. There is no "proof" per se. Only sufficient evidence.
Proof is more a mathematical concept.
In science we ALWAYS have to keep in mind that there could be errors in the measurement, errors in the data, etc.
When you read a scientific paper (presumably you have done this?) you will often see on statistics a little value called the p-value. This is a rough way of determining if one is likely to be making an error in rejecting a null hypothesis. It isn't going to be perfectly 0%.
The real honesty of properly done science is to tell you that likely this or that is true given the limitations of the data and the analyses.
You can deny the facts, but it doesn't change them.
You appear not to realise that proofs are not part of empirical science, but are restricted to the analytic fields of maths and logic. The article explains this.
Everything in science is provisional. Don’t let it get you down though, there’s always a chance, albeit small, that you might find evidence for god/sWhat's really funny, when folks here make comments such as science proves evolution, no God, the beginning of time... not a single solitary atheist stands up to say "No it doesn't!"
Where are you all then? As long as it works, let it ride, if it doesn't...don't.
Everything in science is provisional. Don’t let it get you down though, there’s always a chance, albeit small, that you might find evidence for god/s
You personally rely on what science has discovered, every hour of every day of your life and with a great deal of reliability.
Yes I do...so?
I accept current theories on how the world began.Science, or what we refer to as science, doesn't get me down at all, I like it, use it all the time. As far as no evidence for God, I guess you really have not been paying attention at all.
A asked a poster yesterday how he thinks the world began and I noticed he conveniently skipped that and a few other questions, so how bout you, Hitch (unless that was you) how do you think it all began?
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