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My Evolution Challenge

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Certain aspects of creationism have been debunked:
1. Global Flood
2. Man has no common ancestor with any other creature
3. Embedded Age
4. Earth is the center of the universe
5. Created "Kinds"
1. Has absolutely nothing to do with the Creation Week.
2. As stipulated in Genesis 1.
3. Cannot be ascertained by Genesis 1 alone; requires input from science.
4. Maybe not geocentric today -- but certainly geoprominent.
5. "Kinds" can't be defined; let alone debunked.
 
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1. Has absolutely nothing to do with the Creation Week.
2. As stipulated in Genesis 1.
3. Cannot be ascertained by Genesis 1 alone; requires input from science.
4. Maybe not geocentric today -- but certainly geoprominent.
5. "Kinds" can't be defined; let alone debunked.
Agreed then. Creationism is bunk.
 
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Nooooo, they aren't! They have good scientific definitions. Whether you think those definitions are useful or meaningful (I'm not sure) is a different issue. So is the way creationists abuse the terms.

Macro: 18,600 scholar hits and Micro: 21,300 scholar hits


I'd say macroevolution is a regular in my area of interest (evo-devo, palaeontology etc.). You don't see it in every second sentence, but it's certainly in use.

Well Naraoia,

By using the same Scholar hits method you used, "evolution" hit 2,800,000 times, which means "macroevolution" has been referred to only .007% of the time and "microevolution" has been referred to only .008% of the time in comparison. Like I said, these terms are certainly used in science, but they are like the $2 bill, they are rarely used.

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Creationism is an act of history -- nothing more, nothing less.

This seems to be the crux of your argument. Are you claiming that history has no predictive capability? Are you claiming that if I read in a text book that a civil war battle took place in a particular field, I'd never find rifle slugs there? The rifle slugs are a prediction, and this prediction is a real world consequence.

History has predictive power, AV. You're just playing word games. It's okay though, creationists have nothing else to work with but logical fallacies and word games so I don't really have any higher expectations for them.
 
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Certain aspects of creationism have been debunked:
Creation-ism in its purity is
1: The universe was intelligently designed
2: Life was intelligently designed (see 1 Cor 15:39)

This is Creation-ism. This we are finding is in compliance with scientific evidence. Darwinism, or the assertion that chance can take bacteria to men has asserted vestigial structures, junk DNA, random mutational origin, unlimited adaptation. All disproven or in the process of being debunked. Darwin observed that orgainsims adapt. Everything gathered after that,current and developing, up to the 21st Century, is creationism.
 
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Creation-ism in its purity is
1: The universe was intelligently designed
2: Life was intelligently designed (see 1 Cor 15:39)

This is Creation-ism. This we are finding is in compliance with scientific evidence. Darwinism, or the assertion that chance can take bacteria to men has asserted vestigial structures, junk DNA, random mutational origin, unlimited adaptation. All disproven or in the process of being debunked. Darwin observed that orgainsims adapt. Everything gathered after that,current and developing, up to the 21st Century, is creationism.


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Also AV, there are currently over 30,000 different Christian denominations and each one believe that the Holy Spirit has guided their particular biblical interpretations. What makes you so sure that your interpretations are correct, especially when the counter the discoveries in science? Others do not.

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Creation-ism in its purity is
1: The universe was intelligently designed
2: Life was intelligently designed (see 1 Cor 15:39)

This is Creation-ism. This we are finding is in compliance with scientific evidence. Darwinism, or the assertion that chance can take bacteria to men has asserted vestigial structures, junk DNA, random mutational origin, unlimited adaptation. All disproven or in the process of being debunked. Darwin observed that orgainsims adapt. Everything gathered after that,current and developing, up to the 21st Century, is creationism.

Case in point of my delusion argument. There's nothing I could say to this fellow that would convince him that his beliefs are wrong. He wholeheartedly believes in the things he says here regardless of any evidence to the contrary and he'll establish a selection bias, equivocation bias, and any other fallacy possible to maintain the point of view he so dearly wants to be true. His reasoning for these deceitful tactics are simple: He feels that the ideas he proclaims as being 'just on the verge of debunked' or 'already debunked' are an attack upon his beliefs because he's tied the mental detritus of creationism so closely to his belief in god that disproving one must disprove the other for him. Given this perceived affront, these things that threaten him must surely be just hanging on by the ever so tenuous thread since god (and by extension creationism) is the unshakable premise. This is a case in point of the emperor wearing no clothes, yet strutting about because he's deluded himself into thinking he's clothed in fine garments indeed.

Note the already budding strawman, establishing a claim about evolution that has negative and unrealistic connotations so that he has an easy though fake target, and the claims running completely contrary to reality of all 21st century evidence supporting creationism but not science- if this were true we wouldn't have nearly the scientific output or support for the theory. The attempt to equivocate evolution with a definition that doesn't include adaptation is there, as is the unjustified assertion of 'sciency' terms being debunked, many of which its unlikely that he even understands.
 
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...it clearly demonstrates that physical evidence is meaningless in their hearts and biblical evidence is the only thing meaningful. The problem I have with this is there's a difference between God's Revelation and believers' interpretation of His Revelation.

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I read an interesting article recently explaining why people get so frothy mouthed over things such as bible and koran burnings. These people have generalized the concept of 'a bible' or 'a book' so far that its seen as an extension of their belief in god, and so burning these objects is seen as a physical attack upon god. Since their interpretation of god is closely tied to their sense of self, this perceived attack upon god is perceived as an attack upon themselves. In the same way, creationists seem to often tie the idea of creationism and all that it entails so closely to their idea of god and therefore self that rational discussion becomes impossible- arguments against the concept are perceived as attacks upon god and self, and shedding the belief is as unconscionable as severing a limb. If this is indeed the case, then you can't really reason with people like that.
 
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Case in point of my delusion argument. There's nothing I could say to this fellow that would convince him that his beliefs are wrong. He wholeheartedly believes in the things he says here regardless of any evidence to the contrary and he'll establish a selection bias, equivocation bias, and any other fallacy possible to maintain the point of view he so dearly wants to be true. His reasoning for these deceitful tactics are simple: He feels that the ideas he proclaims as being 'just on the verge of debunked' or 'already debunked' are an attack upon his beliefs because he's tied the mental detritus of creationism so closely to his belief in god that disproving one must disprove the other for him. Given this perceived affront, these things that threaten him must surely be just hanging on by the ever so tenuous thread. This is a case in point of the emperor wearing no clothes, yet strutting about because he's deluded himself into thinking he's clothed in fine garments indeed.
Darwinism is rejected based on scientific evidence. The "God could have done it this way" line, or the "this is not a threat to theism" line is complete rhetoric. You will not get an inch or a mile. Seeking a line of cooperation with the opposition to suppress scrutiny is not a viable route either. You will defend your position. Darwinism is atheism. The idea that chance can assemble a human is not new. From the first time you see any structure at any point in time, it is either chance or intelligent design. And man has been around long before Darwin's day. So has the passivity of chance. You attempt to cloak it, to coat it with sugar and spices, and serve it with-in salts, but it is that same archaic chance, and will be treated as such.

Darwinism feeds on its own concept of the past, it has constructed, and Darwinists will follow in its wake. A past where bacteria men who began, could not understand the weather, could not understand life, and based on that, you think you're in a bulldozer. But when you stream here from your secular forums, after your mod's speech, and the head count for the day is given, it is what he forgot to tell you, it is what you don't know, that will bleed you. You have the scientific evidence for man's creation piling up, but at the same time, your mind cannot comprehend this, as to your understanding, science should be "debunking religion", as you presume it has done in the past. Your understanding of man's beginning is not universal. And man was created as man. This is where, at this point, direct influence from the universal consciousness always was. This is the only place the purely non physical, had its influence on the physical. And we were waiting for you.
 
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Darwinism is rejected based on scientific evidence. The "God could have done it this way" line, or the "this is not a threat to theism" line is complete rhetoric. You will not get an inch or a mile. Seeking a line of cooperation with the opposition to suppress scrutiny is not a viable route either. You will defend your position. Darwinism is atheism. The idea that chance can assemble a human is not new. From the first time you see any structure at any point in time, it is either chance or intelligent design. And man has been around long before Darwin's day. So has the passivity of chance. You attempt to cloak it, to coat it with sugar and spices, and serve it with-in salts, but it is that same archaic chance, and will be treated as such.

Darwinism feeds on its own concept of the past, it has constructed, and Darwinists will follow in its wake. A past where bacteria men who began, could not understand the weather, could not understand life, and based on that, you think you're in a bulldozer. But when you stream here from your secular forums, after your mod's speech, and the head count for the day is given, it is what he forgot to tell you, it is what you don't know, that will bleed you. You have the scientific evidence for man's creation piling up, but at the same time, your mind cannot comprehend this, as to your understanding, science should be "debunking religion", as you presume it has done in the past. Your understanding of man's beginning is not universal. And man was created as man. This is where, at this point, direct influence from the universal consciousness always was. This is the only place the purely non physical, had its influence on the physical. And we were waiting for you.
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Darwinism is rejected based on scientific evidence. The "God could have done it this way" line, or the "this is not a threat to theism" line is complete rhetoric. You will not get an inch or a mile. Seeking a line of cooperation with the opposition to suppress scrutiny is not a viable route either. You will defend your position. Darwinism is atheism. The idea that chance can assemble a human is not new. From the first time you see any structure at any point in time, it is either chance or intelligent design. And man has been around long before Darwin's day. So has the passivity of chance. You attempt to cloak it, to coat it with sugar and spices, and serve it with-in salts, but it is that same archaic chance, and will be treated as such.

Darwinism feeds on its own concept of the past, it has constructed, and Darwinists will follow in its wake. A past where bacteria men who began, could not understand the weather, could not understand life, and based on that, you think you're in a bulldozer. But when you stream here from your secular forums, after your mod's speech, and the head count for the day is given, it is what he forgot to tell you, it is what you don't know, that will bleed you. You have the scientific evidence for man's creation piling up, but at the same time, your mind cannot comprehend this, as to your understanding, science should be "debunking religion", as you presume it has done in the past. Your understanding of man's beginning is not universal. And man was created as man. This is where, at this point, direct influence from the universal consciousness always was. This is the only place the purely non physical, had its influence on the physical. And we were waiting for you.

:clap: Thank you for making my point. :D
 
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Denial is a beautiful thing, eh. :thumbsup:
Bacteria remaining bacteria. Oh. The sterility of random mutation. Ouch. The encoding of an adaptation feature in DNA, yow zerrs Batman. The limits of adaptation. zoinks. Yes, so much denial of modern science. Lol.
 
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Bacteria remaining bacteria. Oh. The sterility of random mutation. Ouch. The encoding of an adaptation feature in DNA, yow zerrs Batman. The limits of adaptation. zoinks. Yes, so much denial of modern science. Lol.

Would you mind elaborating on points 2, 3, and 4?
 
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Creation-ism in its purity is
1: The universe was intelligently designed
2: Life was intelligently designed (see 1 Cor 15:39)

This is Creation-ism. This we are finding is in compliance with scientific evidence. Darwinism, or the assertion that chance can take bacteria to men has asserted vestigial structures, junk DNA, random mutational origin, unlimited adaptation. All disproven or in the process of being debunked. Darwin observed that orgainsims adapt. Everything gathered after that,current and developing, up to the 21st Century, is creationism.

Amen! - What's left of the theory of evolution is an embarrassment to so-called science. The theory of evolution would already be dead and buried if not for the need of saving face and those making money with the continued junk. The fabulous discovery is that Genesis is 100% accurate. God created all, exactly as He said that He did. We've had the truth these thousands of years from the Holy Bible, and it stands as the absolute truth that can't be refuted.
 
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