My Evolution Challenge

[AV1611VET]

Is this all about pride again? Groan.

Well when someone says you don't need 'smarts' to embrace creationism, and I challenge them to do it; if you want to call that being 'all about pride' -- go ahead.

It's your mental block.

 

[Cabal]

Todd Wood can do it. His stuff is brill. Yours, not so much.

Bring him here then and let me tell him what I think of his science --

When I think of my brothers and sisters in Christ who embrace science over Scripture, I always think of the verse:

Luke 23:12 And the same day Pilate and Herod were made friends together: for before they were at enmity between themselves.

Who says he is embracing science over Scripture? He just rejects asinine explanations, like embedded age, then again, that is not literally scriptural.

 

[Tomatoman]

But the problem is, AV, that you don't defend it. Quoting random bible verses, changing the subject as often as possible and playing semantic games is not defending it. All you do is leave everyone who argues with you thinking you're an idiot. And yet you seem to get some source of pride from this. It's not good.

 

[Cabal]

This isn't about Todd Wood, whoever he is.

If I'm 'not so brilliant', let's see you do better.

Ok:

How'd I do?

 

[Naraoia]

If you want a real eye-opener, read Genesis 1-2. You'll have everything you need to know about Creation. Until then, you'll have an impossible theory.

I'd venture that the proportion of pro-evolution posters on this forum who read Genesis 1-2 is close to 1. As you may have guessed, we are not impressed.

Greg, do you think it possible that retroviruses preferentially insert in transcriptionally active regions for the same reason grains of sand preferentially cross a sieve through the holes?

As for

You present an irrelevant ratio counter argument without even outlining in the first place why you believe that the similar retro viral locations in human and chimps are at non active sites...

Brady et al discussed the distribution of fixed HERV-K in the human genome at length, if memory serves. Probably that's why.

 

[AV1611VET]

He just rejects asinine explanations, like embedded age...

No wonder you guys like him then?

 

[Cabal]

No wonder you guys like him then?

He actually uses his brain, which is most refreshing.

Anyway, isn't "variance" a naughty-naughty?

 

[AV1611VET]

But the problem is, AV, that you don't defend it. Quoting random bible verses, changing the subject as often as possible and playing semantic games is not defending it. All you do is leave everyone who argues with you thinking you're an idiot. And yet you seem to get some source of pride from this. It's not good.

Would you rather I pull rank on your myopic science and just say, "God did it -- case closed" each and every time you guys try to make a point with it?

I'm not afraid to speculate; and if that leaves people thinking I'm an 'idiot' -- so be it.

 

[Tomatoman]

Would you rather I pull rank on your myopic science and just say, "God did it -- case closed" each and every time you guys try to make a point with it?

I'm not afraid to speculate.

I've told you what I personally would prefer you to do. Unfortunately my suggestion would appear to be outrageous because it requires you to develop a more mature attitude towards your faith, and this terrifies you as your playschool church has seared it into you that this might compromise your chance of getting into heaven. And let's face it, getting into heaven is all that matters. Everything else is secondary. Anything that has even the slightest chance of stopping god giving you a lollipop is out of the question. That's what your life has been reduced to.

 

[Split Rock]

Thank you, vaux, for the sentiment -- but, in fact, it's the other way around:

Q: What do evolutionists call themselves?
A: Homo sapiens

Q: What does Homo sapiens mean?
A: Wise man

Q: What does the Bible say about those who profess themselves to be 'wise'?
A: Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

You know you are just playing a semantics game. Why do that, unless you have no other argument? Also, was Paul foolish? Does your Bible Quote Mining work in only one direction?

 

[Split Rock]

Are you consol?

Any day you think you can fill my shoes and explain creationism to your educated peers here, feel free to try.

How about this: God Did It. Case Closed.

Good luck with trying to keep them confined to Genesis 1, or getting them to understand the difference between creatio ex nihilo and magic, and even the difference between a ball of seawater and dry land.

Is there any practical difference between creatio ex nihilo and magic?

If you can keep them speaking English, and not going off speaking in tongues, you may just make some headway.

One would think that a self-proclaimed expert in The Bible would appreciate using the original language to understand the intent of the writers of Genesis. Unless of course, that expert is a Creationist.

And if you ever stray and let them bring up the Fall or the Flood -- you'd better know your stuff, or they'll drown you in their brand of epistemology.

Like making conclusions about mankind based on the translation of "Homo sapiens?"

 

[Greg1234]

How about this: God Did It. Case Closed.

There's a computer in front of you. The engineer did it. Case closed.

 

[sandwiches]

There's a computer in front of you. The engineer did it. Case closed.

How do you know an engineer did it?

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

How do you know an engineer did it?

Because chance mutation doesn't turn bacteria into computers. Duh!

 

[nChrist]

How do you know an engineer did it?

Maybe all of the parts randomly came into existence over millions of years and - little bang - Poof! - A computer. This one makes more sense since there are so many of them to inspect, and they are evolving upward all by themselves. It's amazing. If you believe this, ask someone to tell you about the theory of evolution, but that will be harder to believe.

Man is a different story. Man started out perfect - sinned - and fell. So, we have the opposite of evolution.

God did do it! - Case Closed!

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

Maybe all of the parts randomly came into existence over millions of years and - little bang - Poof! - A computer. This one makes more sense since there are so many of them to inspect, and they are evolving upward all by themselves. It's amazing. If you believe this, ask someone to tell you about the theory of evolution, but that will be harder to believe.

Man is a different story. Man started out perfect - sinned - and fell. So, we have the opposite of evolution.

God did do it! - Case Closed!

 

[Greg1234]

Maybe all of the parts randomly came into existence over millions of years and - little bang - Poof! - A computer. This one makes more sense since there are so many of them to inspect, and they are evolving upward all by themselves.

You know, if a Darwinist wanted to, he could lead you to belive that a computer couldd be assembled through chance. All you need to make the metallic alloys is high temperature, [insert picture of high temperature core], high pressure [peer reviewed journal of high pressure beneath the earth's surface] and metallic elements [insert peer reviewed journal of naturally occurring elements]. Add a little "science against religion" paradigm, sprinkle some ad hom at creationists, and bam, computers building themselves is backed up by "scientific evidence".

 

[Cabal]

Maybe all of the parts randomly came into existence over millions of years and - little bang - Poof! - A computer. This one makes more sense since there are so many of them to inspect, and they are evolving upward all by themselves. It's amazing. If you believe this, ask someone to tell you about the theory of evolution, but that will be harder to believe.

Not really, because your analogy does not describe evolution, because you do not understand evolution. Learn something about what you want to criticise before doing so.

 

[sandwiches]

Maybe all of the parts randomly came into existence over millions of years and - little bang - Poof! - A computer. This one makes more sense since there are so many of them to inspect, and they are evolving upward all by themselves. It's amazing. If you believe this, ask someone to tell you about the theory of evolution, but that will be harder to believe.

Man is a different story. Man started out perfect - sinned - and fell. So, we have the opposite of evolution.

God did do it! - Case Closed!

So, to answer my question, you don't know how you know that an engineer designed my computer, then.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

So, to answer my question, you don't know how you know that an engineer designed my computer, then.

He also thinks bacteria can randomly mutate by chance and make men.