My Enoch Challenge

Tiberius · Jun 27, 2011

How do you figure?

If I wrote that I moved to 22a Park Road, what would that tell you about my address? And if you got it wrong, is it your fault or my fault (for not explaining it properly)?

AV1611VET · Jun 27, 2011

Are you playing games, or what?

Tiberius said:
How do you figure?

If I wrote that I moved to 22a Park Road, what would that tell you about my address? And if you got it wrong, is it your fault or my fault (for not explaining it properly)?

If you move to 22a Park Road in 1960, and in 1995 it is changed to 222a Park Road, and you change your diary entry to reflect this -- (or someone else does) -- please show the error.

Nostromo · Jun 27, 2011

AV1611VET said:
Adam wrote that God planted a garden eastward in Eden.

I have had it pointed out to me that Eden could very well be the Biblical name for Pangaea.

Seems strange the guys from New Jersey would name their new home after places in China. What's wrong with accepting the names at face value?

Eden as Pangaea still makes no sense in light of: "And a river went out of Eden to water the garden"

Also the whole "petrochemicals created during the flood" isn't an issue for someone who believes in Embedded Age, surely? You can also use many conifers to make pitch, not just Pitch Pine. That's ignoring that we don't know the distribution of trees pre-flood.

Tiberius · Jun 27, 2011

AV1611VET said:
Are you playing games, or what?

If you move to 22a Park Road in 1960, and in 1995 it is changed to 222a Park Road, and you change your diary entry to reflect this -- (or someone else does) -- please show the error.

You have shown my error for me.

In the past (starting in 1979, I'm not quite that old!) I lived at 22 Park Road. After my mum and I moved from there, the block was subdivided (it was quite large) and there are now two houses on that lot of land. 22a and 22b. Now, when I lived there, there was no 22a or 22b. I could not claim to live at either one of those address because they didn't exist at the time I lived there. There was never a time in my life at which I could have said, "I live at 22a Park Road." Please not the present tense. And even now, I can't say that I used to live at 22a Park Road, because where I live took up both 22a and 22b.

So the error, my fellow sapient ape, is that you are defining something in a way in which it was never defined, so creating the impression that it WAS defined as that. The address was never 22a or 22b while I lived there, so how can I honestly claim I lived at 22a?

Here's another way of putting it...

I assume that as you read this, you are in a room. Let's say a study. Now, perhaps the next owners of the house you are currently in decide to do some renovations. They put in a wall dividing the room in half. The wall just so happens to be going right through where you are sitting now. So your left arm is currently located in what will one day be a storage room, and your right arm is currently located in what will some day be a closet.

Do you think you will be saying in the future, "I was once in the storage room and the closet at the same time!"

Of course not. It's ridiculous. For such a claim suggests that you performed this feat at a time when the wall was in existence and thus you would have needed to be intangible. It is, of course, far more accurate to say, "I used to sit right there before that wall was built. I had one arm in what would later become the storage room and the other arm in what would later become the closet."

Do you see that, AV? It's all about getting accurate information across CLEARLY.

AV1611VET · Jun 27, 2011

Tiberius said:
Do you see that, AV? It's all about getting accurate information across CLEARLY.

So now we're going to just keep throwing examples back and forth, eh?

Okay -- my turn.

Let's go to the Bible this time and actually look at one of them:

Exodus 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

Get the picture here? Abraham did not call God, 'Jehovah'.*

Yet, we see this doosey:

Genesis 15:7 And he said unto him, I am the LORD that brought thee out of Ur of the Chaldees, to give thee this land to inherit it.
Genesis 15:8 And he said, Lord GOD, whereby shall I know that I shall inherit it?

Any serious King James student knows, that when you see LORD or GOD in all capitals in the Old Testament, it is "Jehovah".

* Neither do the educated today, but for intellectual reasons.

Tiberius · Jun 27, 2011

Ah, but you are dealing with two terms with an identical meaning. I am not. 22a Park Road is different from 22 Park Road as it was when I lived there. The size of the block is different, the house on it is smaller, the layout of the plumbing under the ground is different, the shape of the land is different after the excavations they did while knocking down the old house and building the new one!

By your own admission, Lord or God is IDENTICAL to Jehovah. 22a Park road is not identical to 22 Park Road.

Nostromo · Jun 28, 2011

Ignoring problems means they've gone away

Tiberius · Jun 28, 2011

Tiberius · Jul 9, 2011

AV, have you got a response? Did I live at 22 Park Road or 22a Park Road?

razeontherock · Jul 10, 2011

Tiberius · Jul 10, 2011

Sorry, it's not a yes or a no question.... See that word "OR"? It means you can chose one o the options. Not both.

razeontherock · Jul 10, 2011

Some of our Aussies have a sense of humor. Sorry, humour.

Tiberius · Jul 10, 2011

In any case, the question remains unanswered...

Tiberius · May 24, 2012

AV1611VET said:
Don't need a link.

The Ark was made of what the Bible calls 'gopher wood' -- which, of course, is nothing more than copper, mixed with trace elements, called "pitch" -- (probably carbon for hardness).

Keep in mind that Noah's predecessors were top-notch metallurgists.

Thus the Ark was a giant state-of-the Ark submarine, complete with periscope.

Posts like this that make me think you're just a poe trying to get people to turn AWAY from Christianity!

Norman321 · May 24, 2012

AV1611VET said:
Thus the Ark was a giant state-of-the Ark submarine, complete with periscope.

What periscope was that?

Davian · May 24, 2012

AV1611VET said:
Don't need a link.

The Ark was made of what the Bible calls 'gopher wood' -- which, of course, is nothing more than copper, mixed with trace elements, called "pitch" -- (probably carbon for hardness).

Keep in mind that Noah's predecessors were top-notch metallurgists.

Thus the Ark was a giant state-of-the Ark submarine, complete with periscope.

Tiberius said:
Posts like this that make me think you're just a poe trying to get people to turn AWAY from Christianity!

Claims of a pitch-carbon-hardened-gopher-wood-copper 450-foot-long submarine, while demanding in other threads that his strawman depictions of the theory of evolution be explained with 100% accuracy?

Poe or not, it is the hypocrisy of posts like this that turn me away.

Volokh · May 24, 2012

Davian said:
Claims of a pitch-carbon-hardened-gopher-wood-copper 450-foot-long submarine, while demanding in other threads that his strawman depictions of the theory of evolution be explained with 100% accuracy?

Poe or not, it is the hypocrisy of posts like this that turn me away.

qv i think

Tiberius · May 25, 2012

Volokh said:
qv i think

*nods* And my reply to that post HERE.

razeontherock · May 25, 2012

Tiberius said:
Posts like this that make me think you're just a poe trying to get people to turn AWAY from Christianity!

Wut? Enoch wrote the Hunt for Red October!

razeontherock · May 25, 2012

Davian said:
Claims of a pitch-carbon-hardened-gopher-wood-copper 450-foot-long submarine, while demanding in other threads that his strawman depictions of the theory of evolution be explained with 100% accuracy?

Poe or not, it is the hypocrisy of posts like this that turn me away.

Nah, you were turned away long ago. What's the fine print in your avatar?

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