My encounter with an Angel? or Demon?

[miknik5]

The Bible came from God and I so it's impossible for me to be a blasphemer and false prophets. But all those who read and study the Bible without ever hearing the voice of God will perish without ever knowing who they are in God.

The TRUTH comes from GOD yes

But Satan still whispered alterations of GOD's TRUTH

 

[miknik5]

I write and speak for God so it's impossible that I'm non-biblical. But I know for a fact that every word from Christ is hated by most Christians who love the Bible way more than anything on earth. They love all their favorite verses that Satan and the Beast added to the New Testament writings.

CHRIST's SPIRIT (in the believer) does not contradict the written word and the written word does not contradict CHRIST's SPIRIT

There's only ONE SPIRIT of TRUTH abdvit us only through CHRIST we have access to The father by that ONE SPIRIT

If one does not speak according to THE WORD, a Christian (born of HIS SPIRIT) knows it

 

[miknik5]

God does not send spirits to "save" us

HE sends HIS SON

And the TRUTH of spiritual and everlasting LIFE is in HIS SON

If an angel comes bringing something completely different than the TRUTH, he is not an angel of GOD

 

[miknik5]

These two "angels" were contradictory

They would be
As Satan's kingdom is divided There is no semblance of unity in his kingdom and those in his kingdom are divided against themselves

 

[miknik5]

You have received a lot of good advice (lastservant was not speaking the TRUTH of the WORD of GOD)

You said you weren't a Christian until after this

Are you reading and studying THE WORD of GOD
And if you don't mind, what is it that you believed which has made you a follower of CHRIST JESUS?

 

[AlexDTX]

Hi. I hope this is in the correct category. I need your opinions on something. Several years ago, when I was in high school I took a swim class, which was required at the time for everyone. I didn't know how to swim, so I stuck to the shallow end. When I was moving around, I noticed I didn't feel heavy at all. I looked around and saw everyone was staring at something in the deep end. It was me floating face down. Someone had been goofing around and knocked me in. I had hit my head on the way in the pool.

Then I saw two spirits come out of some kind of portal. One had a white like aura (but not brilliant) the other had a black aura (but not too dark). The lighter spirit claimed he was an angel. He said he didn't know who the other guy was (who didn't reveal himself). He tried to convince me to get back in my body. Maybe I would have a chance to survive this way. I told them I couldn't swim. They didn't seem too concerned. This was before I was officially a christian. I believed in God at the time, but wasn't officially saved. One of them said I was going to hell anyway, so what difference did it make if I lived or not. The other simply shrugged. I was so upset by this guy I tried to leave, he stopped me. This is the only time he interacted with me. The so called angel didn't seem to care if I lived or if I was going to hell. This upset me a great deal. I suggested someone jump in and save me. The one with the dark aura acted like that was a great idea and laughed. He whispered something to someone who finally jumped in and gave me CPR. I didn't remember this for a few weeks after. (maybe cause I had hit my head).

To this day I don't know if I encountered angels, demons or what. It couldn't have been a hallucination from my head blow, cause it was too vivid. I was wondering what you all think? This has bothered me since it happened. Do angels just not care like we thought? If I had been saved, would I have mattered more? Was I deceived? Where was God in all of this?

The only thing that is clear to me in your story is that you were on your way to Hell. Since you were not a follower of Christ at the time the indifference could have been your wake up call that you need to get saved.

 

[JacksBratt]

The other might not have been or seemed concerned, possibly because the other one was lying, or, and I have a particular theory about what hell actually is, (and the one probably didn't have enough time to explain this), but you would have been reborn or reincarnated "here" which is what I believe hell really is, and that we are all re-born either here or there, possibly reborn many times till we transcend to there and it might have known this to be your destiny either way... The one might have shrugged at the other one, thinking, "Oh, OK, you had to pull and play that card, Huh? Oh, well, doesn't matter, she'll get another chance to be with us and will be with us in time, but you will not." The one might have also been possibly trying to protect their secret about what hell actually is, possibly, because the fear of hell has saved many over the years, and if they knew the truth, that would be gone and many would be lost...

But, I suspect he/it shrugged more to and in response to the other one who was also using the fear of hell, but, I just don't think, in light of your situation, the one did not have enough time to explain or didn't want or wasn't ready for the secret of that to be brought to light... He was probably angry at the other one who said that to you... Also, like I said, the one might have been lying, cause he is allowed to lie, and the other one has to be honest, and you might not have actually gone to hell afterward...

Any of these scenarios could be true...

But, I don't think the one was concerned cause he knew that while the other one maybe wasn't totally lying, he was definitely intending to "deceive", and the one knew you would have either, got another chance, after you died, or it was a complete lie and you would have actually gone to heaven... Or it knew, that even if you had to be reborn here, in hell, again, it might have known your eventual destiny to be heaven either way, and therefore wasn't that concerned about it, more for the other one to see and know I think, than you...

Saying to the other one, "So, what... She will be with us, in time, you have nothing, oh, enemy..."

The one laughing knew they had "got you" and "got" the other one with that whole "hell" bit. And perhaps he did, but no longer, it's time for the charade and facade to come down, no more fear...

So, as you can see, good angels have quite a different perspective on only the first death here than we do, my dear...

Just my theory...

God Bless!

Your personal theories, like another poster here, are contrary to solid Biblical doctrine.

Nowhere, in the bible, is there any indication of returning to this earth to live another life.

To consider another life on earth as "hell" is ludicrous.

Any sort of repetitive lives or thought where we eventually "transcend" to another place is contrary to the gospel message of "saved by faith".

We cannot "earn" a place in heaven. We do not keep repeating things until we earn some higher place of existence.

This is total heresy.

 

[miknik5]

Like all posts in this forum, you have got some very different answers.

I can say for certain that angels are not always sent to be on our side or not.... look at Joshua before he went on to destroy Jericho:

Joshua 5:13-14New International Version (NIV)

The Fall of Jericho
13 Now when Joshua was near Jericho, he looked up and saw a man standing in front of him with a drawn sword in his hand. Joshua went up to him and asked, “Are you for us or for our enemies?”


14 “Neither,” he replied, “but as commander of the army of the Lord I have now come.” Then Joshua fell facedown to the ground in reverence, and asked him, “What message does my Lorda]">[a] have for his servant?”

This angel admits that he is not for Joshua or Joshua's enemies.

Your experience shows the same non-concern from the one entity and ridicule from the other.

Whatever the reason, would you say that this episode was instrumental in influencing you to becoming a Christian?

If so, the entities did God's will and you made your choice.

As for anyone trying to tell you that we have many lives.... ya.... totally un- biblical and contrary to:

Hebrews 9:27King James Version (KJV)
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

There is no circle of life or tree of life.. There is conception, life, death and judgement. After that you will be in one of two places for eternity.

That was not a fallen angel

Please review again what the captain of the hosts said

He is not for Joshua or Joshua's enemies because he is not partial and he did not come to divide

However if Joshua's enemies (since Joshua was for GOD) also wanted to "fall in line" they too would be protected by the captain of the hosts

 

[JacksBratt]

The Bible came from God and I so it's impossible for me to be a blasphemer and false prophets. But all those who read and study the Bible without ever hearing the voice of God will perish without ever knowing who they are in God.

The Bible is from God. However, to say that it is impossible for you to be a blasphemer is totally false and deceptive .

The most masterful deceiver of all is Satan and he uses the bible, continually to blaspheme.

 

[miknik5]

Hello, thelostgirl101. I do not claim to be an expert on this subject, but I believe you encountered a demonic entity or entities. But the Lord was still watching over you!

If I may make a recommendation, there is a relatively short book written some years ago called "The Beautiful Side of Evil" by Johanna Michaelson which is easy reading and gives you a very personal experience of someone who got involved with the occult at an early age and even had their own spirit guide before becoming a Christian. The spirit guide she had told her that he was Jesus... of course, she thought it really was the Jesus in the Bible, but is was a false Jesus... a demon posing as Jesus. They are notorious liers and deceivers.

I highly recommend the book if you can get a copy of it. Because it is older and not that popular, you may have to get it from the internet. Just do a search for the book and author. If not, there are videos and some radio interviews with Johanna Michaelson on YouTube. I believe Johanna has past away, so they may not be recent.

I don't believe it's necessary for her to learn about this

I believe it's necessary for her to grow in her knowledge of THE LORD

And for that she needs to turn to prayer and reading the scriptures

 

[miknik5]

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The other might not have been or seemed concerned, possibly because the other one was lying, or, and I have a particular theory about what hell actually is, (and the one probably didn't have enough time to explain this), but you would have been reborn or reincarnated "here" which is what I believe hell really is, and that we are all re-born either here or there, possibly reborn many times till we transcend to there and it might have known this to be your destiny either way... The one might have shrugged at the other one, thinking, "Oh, OK, you had to pull and play that card, Huh? Oh, well, doesn't matter, she'll get another chance to be with us and will be with us in time, but you will not." The one might have also been possibly trying to protect their secret about what hell actually is, possibly, because the fear of hell has saved many over the years, and if they knew the truth, that would be gone and many would be lost...

But, I suspect he/it shrugged more to and in response to the other one who was also using the fear of hell, but, I just don't think, in light of your situation, the one did not have enough time to explain or didn't want or wasn't ready for the secret of that to be brought to light... He was probably angry at the other one who said that to you... Also, like I said, the one might have been lying, cause he is allowed to lie, and the other one has to be honest, and you might not have actually gone to hell afterward...

Any of these scenarios could be true...

But, I don't think the one was concerned cause he knew that while the other one maybe wasn't totally lying, he was definitely intending to "deceive", and the one knew you would have either, got another chance, after you died, or it was a complete lie and you would have actually gone to heaven... Or it knew, that even if you had to be reborn here, in hell, again, it might have known your eventual destiny to be heaven either way, and therefore wasn't that concerned about it, more for the other one to see and know I think, than you...

Saying to the other one, "So, what... She will be with us, in time, you have nothing, oh, enemy..."

The one laughing knew they had "got you" and "got" the other one with that whole "hell" bit. And perhaps he did, but no longer, it's time for the charade and facade to come down, no more fear...

So, as you can see, good angels have quite a different perspective on only the first death here than we do, my dear...

Just my theory...

God Bless!

Do you believe in reincarnation?

If so can you point to where in GOD's WORD GOD spoke of reincarnation

If one eats from the TREE of LIFE, will they live?

That "TREE" being symbolic for CHRIST


(By the way, those demons were laughing at her reference to send someone to help her...I believe she didn't know CHRIST at that time and I believe they knew it)

 

[miknik5]

The western and eastern views on re-incarnation differ greatly... The west see's it, as a good, positive thing... While the east see's it as a bad, negative thing...

The east view's it as a fate we cannot escape based on our karma, and that our karma is maybe never good enough to escape, or transcend this, into a higher form, which their religions try to change by self-effort and our own good, or righteousness... Consequently, this is the same as the old way in the OT, to show it's failure and point to Christ...

I think the eastern view is correct, and that it is what hell really is... We cannot transcend or escape it due to our karma, without help or divine assistance, and that assistance is Christ...

Only through and by him can we escape our fate and transcend this place, into a better, higher one, in a higher form...

What do you think...?

God Bless!

I believe in the resurrection and I believe that HE remains LORD

I don't believe that I will be reincarnated into a higher version of myself but made into a perfect, spotless servant of GOD

 

[JacksBratt]

That was not a fallen angel

Please review again what the captain of the hosts said

He is not for Joshua or Joshua's enemies because he is not partial and he did not come to divide

However if Joshua's enemies (since Joshua was for GOD) also wanted to "fall in line" they too would be protected by the captain of the hosts

I don't believe that I implied that the commander of the army of the Lord was a fallen angel. Sorry if you understood that I meant that.

It should be blatantly obvious that a fallen angel cannot be the commander of the army of the Lord.

 

[miknik5]

I don't believe that I implied that the commander of the army of the Lord was a fallen angel. Sorry if you understood that I meant that.

It should be blatantly obvious that a fallen angel cannot be the commander of the army of the Lord.

Sorry. I believe that depicted figure who presented himself to Joshua was THE LORD and not an angel

 

[miknik5]

Forgive me but I don't believe angels present themselves to us anymore

I believe with revelation given to JOHN the story of mankind's salvation is complete and that angels do not preach the gospel (now) but only human witnesses

So if an angel does come to us?

Why?

Doesn't GOD speak to us by HIS SON?

 

[miknik5]

Jack,

Forgive me. It is my own personal issue

I don't believe an angel of GOD wil come to us.

If an angel does I believe it is not from GOD

I believe all the shadows and prefigures (including the account in Joshua) were simply shadows and figures of CHRIST

I know that we are to entertain strangers yes. But it is because we are to show perfect love and charity to all men

Yes. Maybe one might be an angel of GOD but will we know it in this age? Will they say I am angel of the LORD and if they did, forgive me, but I would not listen to them. Especially if they go above what has been given us by HIS WORD

 

[miknik5]

For a period of three somewhat years, I was bothered by a lying spirit but it took resting in THE TRUTH and PROMISES of GOD that I was set free of even this and what I have learned in this trial is not to go beyond HIS WORD. Not to accept additional prophecies outside HIS WORD

 

[miknik5]

Lost girl,

May GOD, by HIS SPIRIT, lead you

May you grow in the knowledge and in your love of THE LORD

GOD's SPIRIT does not contradict HIS (written) WORD

And HIS (written) WORD does not contradict HIS VOICE(SPIRIT)

 

[sdowney717]

Jack,

Forgive me. It is my own personal issue

I don't believe an angel of GOD wil come to us.

If an angel does I believe it is not from GOD

I believe all the shadows and prefigures (including the account in Joshua) were simply shadows and figures of CHRIST

I know that we are to entertain strangers yes. But it is because we are to show perfect love and charity to all men

Yes. Maybe one might be an angel of GOD but will we know it in this age? Will they say I am angel of the LORD and if they did, forgive me, but I would not listen to them. Especially if they go above what has been given us by HIS WORD

Hebrews 1:13-14New King James Version (NKJV)
13 But to which of the angels has He ever said:

“Sit at My right hand,
Till I make Your enemies Your footstool”?

14 Are they not all ministering spirits sent forth to minister for those who will inherit salvation?

God sends angels to minister to those who are or who will be saved.
What you may also wonder is, would God choose to send a fallen angel to minister to people whom He will save.

God did send lying spirits (fallen angels) in the OT to certain people.

1 Kings 22:21-23New King James Version (NKJV)
21 Then a spirit came forward and stood before the Lord, and said, ‘I will persuade him.’ 22 The Lord said to him, ‘In what way?’ So he said, ‘I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.’ And the Lord said, ‘You shall persuade him, and also prevail. Go out and do so.’ 23 Therefore look! The Lord has put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these prophets of yours, and the Lord has declared disaster against you.”
Satan is also a lying spirit .

In a way, God also sent Satan to Job allowing Satan to minister bad things to Job and the purpose was to show to the angelic realm ( and his not so wonderful friends) Job would still glory only in God and not all his abundant worldly possessions.

Job 1
8 Then the Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered My servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, one who fears God and shuns evil?”

9 So Satan answered the Lord and said, “Does Job fear God for nothing? 10 Have You not made a hedge around him, around his household, and around all that he has on every side? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land. 11 But now, stretch out Your hand and touch all that he has, and he will surely curse You to Your face!”

12 And the Lord said to Satan, “Behold, all that he has is in your power; only do not lay a hand on his person.”

So Satan went out from the presence of the Lord.

 

[sdowney717]

On angels. Recall God sent Gabriel to Mary, so God does also send holy angels to minister to people.
Angels, God’s Ministering Spirits
God's Word is our example for godly doctrine and offers insight to understanding how He relates to us.
Luke 1:26-38GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)
The Angel Gabriel Comes to Mary
26 Six months after Elizabeth had become pregnant, God sent the angel Gabriel to Nazareth, a city in Galilee. 27 The angel went to a virgin promised in marriage to a descendant of David named Joseph. The virgin’s name was Mary.

28 When the angel entered her home, he greeted her and said, “You are favored by the Lord! The Lord is with you.”