My defense

[TrustAndObey]

Night, I only have you and one other person on ignore. The weird thing is, I did have six people on my list at one point, but 1 of them was a person that never comes here anymore and 3 were from when I was debating in GT a lot (they were people that never come into this forum). I'm not sure how you got the number six....but that was indeed the number I had until recently. Hmmm.

 

[NightEternal]

1.) Me

2.) Senti

3.) RC

4.) Stormy

5.) Sophia

6.) Free

I was under the impression all of these were on ignore.

I guess I was wrong.

 

[Mankin]

I am aware our area is not out of the woods yet. However, this has little to do with that topic.

 

[TrustAndObey]

Well, actually, you're not on ignore right now or I wouldn't be able to see your posts. I owed you an explanation, so I took you off until you knew I was being sincere about sending you one.

I do sincerely apologize that you didn't get my PM, Night. I don't just put people on ignore without telling them and I'd NEVER post it in a thread as a big announcement.

One of the people on your list is Admin and you CAN'T ignore Admin.

RC and I were just debating two days ago, so that's a no. I gripe about him, to him, but I've never put him on ignore.

Stormy is my hero in a lot of ways, and I could spend the rest of my life on this forum apologizing to him for how I treated him in the beginning of our relationship and never make up for it. I debate him every time we talk just about, but I love him very much. He probably won't ever admit it, but he loves me too. HA!

Free saved my life, in more ways than one, even if the manner in which he did probably isn't what I would've preferred. I am eternally grateful to him.

So there you go.

 

[freeindeed2]

That's odd that your post went in front of mine. I guess they haven't worked out all the bugs on here after the update.

Anyway......

It's been a bit odd since the last 'update'.

I was responding “in kind” to your implication in my soul thread that somehow the Gospel didn’t measure up and was unimportant in my “list” of importance when seeking a church. That was the most condescending, off-topic thing I’ve ever read.

Now Trust, that's a bit of a stretch, don't you think?

Now if you’re being honest, you’ll admit that’s exactly what you were implying. I’ve chatted online for a long time Free, and I know from experience that if someone doesn’t have anything to fire back with to refute a topic, they move on to personal attacks, and that’s exactly what you did.

Actually, I still would like to know where the Gospel stacks in your list. Asking that question is not a personal attack. Obviously I struck a nerve of some sort and I did not continue to press you on it, and you KNOW that I'm perfectly capable of doing so. I had said earlier that I do not have the time to put into going through a systematic 'soul', 'spirit', 'body', 'death', 'breath', etc. study right now. Maybe someday I will again, but I've been down that road too many times in the past 3 or 4 years to go down it again.

I have two experiences to draw my coping mechanisms from……growing up and raising children of my own. In dealing with adults that want to break the rules constantly, I have to draw from the experiences I’ve had from raising children that naturally try to break the rules and push the envelope. I’m sorry if you think that’s condescending.

I'm sure you draw from more experiences than that. I knew a principal once that came from an elementary school to an Academy and treated the faculty and staff using the same methods she used on from her elementary school experience. She didn't last the year. It is condescending and nobody put up with it.

To answer you would’ve meant total derailment of the thread. It was totally off-topic and had NOTHING to do with the subject of the thread.

You brought up 'the list'. I asked about it and where the Gospel was on it (NOT 'IF' the Gospel was on it).

No mention that the post also talked about my “cherry-picked theology”?

That's my opinion based on my experience with how you were using Scripture and how many SDA doctrines have been established and defended. You're as entitled to disagree as I am.

Wrong. Adventists believe the soul is the body plus breath. It's a breathing creature and is not immortal until the resurrection. It’s been a while since you taught it if you think Adventists feel the soul is just “breath”. We believe the SPIRIT is our breath, our life essence…but not the SOUL, which is what the thread was about.

You know, it's a fuzzy topic and you'll get different answers depending on who you're asking the questions to. I remember asking questions along these lines to different profs in theology classes and being given different answers. It didn't add up then and it doesn't add up now. It never has, and there are reasons why you must arrive at the conclusions you do.

Really? Well, let’s inject some honesty into that comment a second, shall we? I recall thanking you for your very first posts here, because unlike so many posters before you, YOU were the only one that I felt warranted me picking up my bible for the first time in 15 months.

I think it's great that you picked up your Bible again as a result of reading my posts. How it's read and how you arrive at drawing conclusions, form doctrines, and form beliefs is extremely important. Wrong methods result in wrong information.

I was straightforward in my first posts that I disagree with SDA doctrines and theology and the methods used. I have never hidden that and never will.

Not only that, I recall back-and-forth e-mails where I completely opened up to you as another human being and as a father.

I did, and still do, like you as a person and I don’t care that you left the Adventist church.

I remember those emails, and I appreciated your openness. And, believe it or not, I 'like you as a person too'.

I didn't start questioning your honesty until you started making snide remarks about Adventism, while you declare YOURSELF an Adventist when it’s convenient….but hey, if you think you’ve been called here to save all of us from our mistakes in beliefs, I can’t say too much about it I suppose.

Calling a duck a duck is not dishonesty. SDA beliefs are not human beings and questioning them or calling them false and stating why is not 'making snide remarks about Adventism'. You would be VERY interested to get honest answers from SDA pastors across the board concerning how 'Adventist' they really are. They're still drawing a paycheck and benefits from your tithe dollars, yet there are many (more than you know) who have resigned and left quietly giving up their careers who get blasted when they challenge SDA beliefs. Which group is being honorable and ethical?

I don't think you're honest about the reasons you do it though.

You are entitled to your opinion. You don't know the half of it for that to be a true statement though.

My sister and her family are here from Colorado, so I have to go shower and go spend some time with them.

Peace out.

Enjoy your family!

In CHRIST alone...

 

[NightEternal]

I do sincerely apologize that you didn't get my PM, Night. I don't just put people on ignore without telling them and I'd NEVER post it in a thread as a big announcement.

Whatever.

 

[TrustAndObey]

Whatever.

This song is dedicated to your wonderful words of wisdom.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz7_3n7xyDg

 

[mva1985]

This song is dedicated to your wonderful words of wisdom.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz7_3n7xyDg

that is so funny!!!!

 

[mva1985]

This song is dedicated to your wonderful words of wisdom.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz7_3n7xyDg

that is so funny!!!!

 

[StormyOne]

Stormy is my hero in a lot of ways, and I could spend the rest of my life on this forum apologizing to him for how I treated him in the beginning of our relationship and never make up for it. I debate him every time we talk just about, but I love him very much. He probably won't ever admit it, but he loves me too. HA!

T&O, yes you are loved, and I think you are good people, you have a good heart... and I also know we simply have different views and no need to spend alot of time discussing them because at the end you will believe what you believe, as will I... so I accept you as you are where you are and know that as long as you truly follow God everything will be fine.... that's my take...

 

[TrustAndObey]

T&O, yes you are loved, and I think you are good people, you have a good heart... and I also know we simply have different views and no need to spend alot of time discussing them because at the end you will believe what you believe, as will I... so I accept you as you are where you are and know that as long as you truly follow God everything will be fine.... that's my take...

Big ol' teddy bear!

I mentioned you in another thread Stormy, but I didn't mention you by name. If I had, I would've been leaving myself WIDE open for you to come in and say "what? I don't respect you!" Bwhahaha.

I love you too brother. Very much.

 

[Mankin]

You'd have to be nuts not to heart everyone's favorite country girl.

 

[moicherie]

Not proud of it Moicherie. It just is what it is.

No one here is going to like everyone else. That just is not realistic in this sort of setting where we have so many different personalitites and character clashes.

Well I would not like to spend eternity with people I don't like so that's an issue we have to 'get over' don't you think? How to separate the person's views without disliking the person - that's quite a challenge. Imagine are there any humans Jesus dislikes?

 

[NightEternal]

Well I would not like to spend eternity with people I don't like so that's an issue we have to 'get over' don't you think? How to separate the person's views without disliking the person - that's quite a challenge. Imagine are there any humans Jesus dislikes?

All who are in Heaven will be on the same page. So spending eternity with people I don't like is not a concern for me.

Intolerant, hateful, exclusive Trads won't be there if they stubbornly cling to that mindset. There will be no arrogant, denominational patriotism there either, so I have no worries about having to fellowship with people who formulate thier lives around such things.

Moreover, most of the Trads here don't consider me a 'true' Adventist, and as such consider me denominationally traitorous worthless trash and fodder for the lake of fire.

And now that I have officially rejected EGW as a prophetess, they surely feel I must have sealed my doom. So I suspect not many of them are too worried about seeing me in Heaven either.