My Darwin Slave Challenge

LouisBooth · Dec 8, 2016

TLK Valentine said:
He was talking about nature; you tried to make it about him. I'm not the one who's confused here.

first I have to say, it's cute to see you follow me around. Thanks!

Second, no, you're the one confused here. The question about Nature. His response to my reply was that Nature isn't moral/immoral, so I posed the question about if an action in and of itself is moral or not since if "nature" enacts it, it's moral, so if humans enact it, it isn't. Please try to follow along. I can't keep summing up for you the thread everytime you follow me to a new one.

LouisBooth · Dec 8, 2016

JackRT said:
Where did "dogs abuse" come in and just what sort of abuse are you referring to?

It's an action most deem immoral, but the dog isn't a moral being

Mobezom said:
For an intelligent being to abuse an unintelligent being is evil

Good follow up, but misleading. How can you abuse something? Do you abuse the plant by cutting it's branches and pruning it? You're imposing MORALITY on it and by the definition given it's property and slavery is "okay". Do you view it as *SP edit start*cruel *SP edit end*that female mantids kill it's mate after mating? Have you stopped this because it's evil or is it just evil BECAUSE it's done by "things" that don't know better? Yet again saying slavery isn't wrong as I stated before.

AV1611VET · Dec 8, 2016

LouisBooth said:
first I have to say, it's cute to see you follow me around. Thanks!

NOW you're somebody!

Remember Paul?

LouisBooth · Dec 8, 2016

AV1611VET said:
NOW you're somebody!

Remember Paul?

LOL. That gave me a good chuckle. Feels like old times.

AV1611VET · Dec 8, 2016

LouisBooth said:
LOL. That gave me a good chuckle. Feels like old times.

Welcome back!

LouisBooth · Dec 8, 2016

AV1611VET said:
Welcome back!

*tips hat* thank you

TLK Valentine · Dec 8, 2016

LouisBooth said:
first I have to say, it's cute to see you follow me around. Thanks!

Indeed, I followed you so closely I got here pages before you ever did.

Second, no, you're the one confused here. The question about Nature. His response to my reply was that Nature isn't moral/immoral, so I posed the question about if an action in and of itself is moral or not since if "nature" enacts it, it's moral, so if humans enact it, it isn't.

So you're asking him to apply human morality to nonhuman actions... oh, goody. for a moment I thought you were doing something pointless.

LouisBooth · Dec 8, 2016

Subduction Zone said:
I for one respect nature

So slavery is okay as done by "nature"? Or, like a gun, it is the action originator that bears the morality of the action?

Subduction Zone · Dec 8, 2016

LouisBooth said:
So slavery is okay as done by "nature"? Or, like a gun, it is the action originator that bears the morality of the action?

How did you get that from my post?

You seem to have a poor grasp on the concept of morality, among other flaws.

LouisBooth · Dec 8, 2016

Subduction Zone said:
How did you get that from my post?

You seem to have a poor grasp on the concept of morality, among other flaws.

silly quips aside, I was actually asking a question based on your response, which you, in fact dodged. We can start on the baseline if you'd like. Is slavery immoral?

LouisBooth · Dec 8, 2016

TLK Valentine said:
Indeed, I followed you so closely I got here pages before you ever did.

My apologies, you're following AV around. Must give credit where it is due. *tips hat to AV*

TLK Valentine said:
So you're asking him to apply human morality to nonhuman actions

from the poster who said slavery, via Darwin, is racist and implied it was immoral...funny.

Subduction Zone · Dec 8, 2016

LouisBooth said:
silly quips aside, I was actually asking a question based on your response, which you, in fact dodged. We can start on the baseline if you'd like. Is slavery immoral?

Knowing what we know today, yes, slavery is immoral.

AV1611VET · Dec 8, 2016

LouisBooth said:
*tips hat to AV*

You're a gentleman and a scholar!

HitchSlap · Dec 8, 2016

LouisBooth said:
first I have to say, it's cute to see you follow me around. Thanks!

Second, no, you're the one confused here. The question about Nature. His response to my reply was that Nature isn't moral/immoral, so I posed the question about if an action in and of itself is moral or not since if "nature" enacts it, it's moral, so if humans enact it, it isn't. Please try to follow along. I can't keep summing up for you the thread everytime you follow me to a new one.

Morality is a concept, wholly unrelated to natural laws.

LouisBooth · Dec 8, 2016

Subduction Zone said:
Knowing what we know today, yes, slavery is immoral.

Thank you for your honesty.

LouisBooth · Dec 8, 2016

HitchSlap said:
Morality is a concept, wholly unrelated to natural laws.

but relates to human behavior so this is an invalid defense to answering the question.

TLK Valentine · Dec 8, 2016

LouisBooth said:
My apologies, you're following AV around. Must give credit where it is due. *tips hat to AV*

from the poster who said slavery, via Darwin, is racist and implied it was immoral...funny.

What exactly about that statement do you need explained to you?

TLK Valentine · Dec 8, 2016

LouisBooth said:
but relates to human behavior so this is an invalid defense to answering the question.

Indeed -- human slavery is immoral.

LouisBooth · Dec 8, 2016

TLK Valentine said:
Indeed -- human slavery is immoral.

so the act of slavery isn't immoral then? Or just human to human? If that is so they why do people get so up in arms about dog abuse? Or why does PETA exist?

TLK Valentine · Dec 8, 2016

LouisBooth said:
so the act of slavery isn't immoral then? Or just human to human? If that is so they why do people get so up in arms about dog abuse? Or why does PETA exist?

Obviously you've seen how different people have different opinions.

Surely this can't be a new experience for you, can it?

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