My Crop Circle Challenge

[AV1611VET]

I'm unaware that crop circles have ever been a scientific investigation.

From Live Science

See also: Scientific Studies Confirm Crop Circles

 

[RickG]

From Live Science

See also: Scientific Studies Confirm Crop Circles

I'm sorry, I didn't see in that link where any "actual" scientists investigated crop circles? True there were investigators, like those looking for ghosts and bigfoot, but people from the mainstream scientific community, I don't think so.

 

[AV1611VET]

I'm sorry, I didn't see in that link where any "actual" scientists investigated crop circles?

Actual scientists are hard to spot, aren't they?

Especially if one holds scientists up to such a standard that the average or below average layman (like I) can't converse with him.

 

[HitchSlap]

I'd like an answer to Post 7.

An answer to what?!

 

[RickG]

Actual scientists are hard to spot, aren't they?

Especially if one holds scientists up to such a standard that the average or below average layman (like I) can't converse with him.

I only looked at the first article. I'll check the second one out. Thanks.

 

[RickG]

Actual scientists are hard to spot, aren't they?

Especially if one holds scientists up to such a standard that the average or below average layman (like I) can't converse with him.

I just reviewed E. H. Haselhoff's paper. Seems he's quite a loaner. One of the major indicators of the quality of a peer review research paper is the number of citations it receives. Seems there were only two and both were by Haselhoff himself. He also seems to be working from a description by two other people rather than actual data from a field investigation himself. Sorry, I'm unconvinced.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

See also: Scientific Studies Confirm Crop Circles

Reminds me of a documentary where they got a team of experienced circle-makers to make circles, then asked a 'scientific' crop circle investigator to say whether it was 'genuine' or 'fake' - he said there was no doubt it was genuine because of the bent nodes and signs of radiation that couldn't be faked. They also asked a psychic circle investigator to check it, and she told them it still had powerful energies and invited a bunch of friends round to soak up the vibes.

The popular TV show QI (Quite Interesting) did a similar stunt, hoaxing a Norwegian presenter and her friend - see The QI Crop Circle.

People often see only what they expect or want to see. That's why the scientific method was developed.

Crop Circle Wisdom is a good antidote for those who might get too carried away - it even explains the 'mysterious' bent nodes.

 

[quatona]

There are about 15 of them.And I'll return an equally simple answer: I don't believe it.

Except I didn´t ask you a question, and I couldn´t care less what you of all believe or don´t believe.

 

[Kylie]

Riiiiight.

I ask a simple question and get a website that's about 15 pages long.

I even ran FIND for the word "electromagnetic" and it came up with nothing.

Try a search for "magnetic" and you get your answer.

What about the strange “magnetic particles” that are found in crop circles?

At 26:48 of the film, Gamble asserts that “strange magnetic particles” are found in crop circles. This sounds like a convincing explanation for some non-human origin, doesn’t it? (Of course it does, which is why Gamble uses this example).

This feature too is easily explained. Here is a page that explains how to create a crop circle—with magnetic particles included.[http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Crop-Circle] Here’s how you do it:

“Also, melt some iron filings into droplets on site and sprinkle them around the flattened area to leave ‘meteorite particles’ and magnetized stalks.”

This is yet another technique used by hoaxers precisely to stoke the idea among believers that crop circles have some sort of paranormal origin. In this case, Foster Gamble fell for it.

 

[Freodin]

My specific question was about electromagnetic disturbance at the crop site; and I even gave the example of watches that stopped ticking.

Very specific. With your supreme ability to find old internet references, you certainly don't mind if I ask a specific question about the scientific documentation for watches that stopped ticking?

I get a 15 page link to go through and, as I said, I ran FIND against the word "electromagnetic" and it came up blank.

As I said, most of these "15 pages" are comments. If you cannot manage to skim through a short and well referenced essay like this one... how do you manage to read your bible?

Well, KTS did the job of providing the exact part of the text. But let me guess... you don't believe it.

Seriously: I always thought your "boolean standards" are a little... weird, but how do you justify "believing" and "not believing" here? Where is the biblical justification for crop circles?

 

[AV1611VET]

Where is the biblical justification for crop circles?

Job 1:19b And, behold, there came a great wind from the wilderness, and smote the four corners of the house,

 

[Freodin]

Job 1:19b And, behold, there came a great wind from the wilderness, and smote the four corners of the house,

Well, I guess building your house on sand is kinda bad.
But building your house in a wheat field might get you plowed under.

It was nice talking to you again, AV. Reminded me why I chose to ignore you before. And will again.

Bye!

 

[AV1611VET]

Where is the biblical justification for crop circles?

Job 1:19b And, behold, there came a great wind from the wilderness, and smote the four corners of the house,

It was nice talking to you again, AV. Reminded me why I chose to ignore you before. And will again.

Bye!

What am I missing here?

 

[HitchSlap]

What am I missing here?

If you have to ask, you wouldn't understand anyway.

 

[AV1611VET]

If you have to ask, you wouldn't understand anyway.

I think what I just saw here with Freodin, is an attitude of: It's okay for you to believe my scientific explanation, but don't justify a phenomenon with Scripture, or I won't tolerate it.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

I think what I just saw here with Freodin, is an attitude of: It's okay for you to believe my scientific explanation, but don't justify a phenomenon with Scripture, or I won't tolerate it.

I think the question is, what's the connection between a story about wind blowing on a house and crop-circles?

 

[RickG]

I think what I just saw here with Freodin, is an attitude of: It's okay for you to believe my scientific explanation, but don't justify a phenomenon with Scripture, or I won't tolerate it.

Well, it is a science forum thread, not an apologetic forum thread. Nevertheless, I don't see a problem with a scripture citation, just its interpretation, which I think would be better suited in the apologetics area. Just an opinion.

 

[AV1611VET]

I think the question is, what's the connection between a story about wind blowing on a house and crop-circles?

The weather theory of crop circle formation is dismissed due to the assumption that the weather was generated by Mother Nature, which, of course, isn't true.

Job 1:19 And, behold, there came a great wind from the wilderness, and smote the four corners of the house, and it fell upon the young men, and they are dead; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.

Notice the wind smiting the four corners of the house at once and causing it to fall in?

And Job seems to be surprised by this.

The story seems to indicate the house was the target of the wind.

 

[AV1611VET]

Well, it is a science forum thread, not an apologetic forum thread. Nevertheless, I don't see a problem with a scripture citation, just its interpretation, which I think would be better suited in the apologetics area. Just an opinion.

I'm not interested in your opinion ... since it is targeted at me.

After all, I was asked for a Scripture citation, and I gave one.

Bleed on Freodin, don't bleed on me.

 

[RickG]

I'm not interested in your opinion ... since it is targeted at me.

It was not intended specifically for you, but I understand what you are saying. Perceived target removed.

After all, I was asked for a Scripture citation, and I gave one.

I said I have no problems with citations?