My Creationism vs Intelligent Design Challenge

[AV1611VET]

Is Creationism the same thing as Intelligent Design?

Please note, I am asking if Creationism is the same thing as Intelligent Design.

I am not asking if Intelligent Design is the same thing as Creationism.

Some people think Creationism gave rise to Intelligent Design.

I don't, and I'm asking if Creationism is the same thing as Intelligent Design.

As far as the definitions of the two terms are concerned, use your own understanding.

 

[CLAVDIVS]

Creationism did give rise to intelligent design in that most early supporters were believers in biblical creation and they have many concepts in common.

They're not the same thing, though.

 

[Nithavela]

They're the same, intelligent design is just creationism with changed name and less obviour referrals to the christian god.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Why didn't you include a Yes option?

 

[gordonhooker]

Why didn't you include a Yes option?

I was thinking that myself.....

 

[Subduction Zone]

ID is a form of creationism just as Baptist is a form of Christianity. Of course all forms of creationism have been shown to be wrong, so what is your point?

 

[Archie the Preacher]

Is Creationism the same thing as Intelligent Design?

Not exactly, but related in my mind.

The main distinction seems to that of 'time' or 'duration'. I do not understand "ID" requiring a six-day (twenty-four hours each) period for Creation and allowing a directed form of biological evolution.

 

[Archie the Preacher]

[Posted great Calvin and Hobbs cartoon!]

Great cartoon. Hints at the Christian concept of living life.

 

[rturner76]

thought "ID" was just evolution with a creator. That is what I personally believe anyway.

 

[stevevw]

Yeah I thought ID was a lot different to creationism. For starters as far as I understand it ID uses science as its basis and seeks evidence of design in nature and have testable hypothesis. Whereas Creationism believes in a supernatural cause and doesn't really explain how that happens.
Intelligent Design

 

[Jimmy D]

thought "ID" was just evolution with a creator. That is what I personally believe anyway.

I would say that you've described theistic evolution there... it's confusing alright.

 

[Subduction Zone]

thought "ID" was just evolution with a creator. That is what I personally believe anyway.

There are currently different versions of ID. They all tend to falll under the same sort of myth as creationism is.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yeah I thought ID was a lot different to creationism. For starters as far as I understand it ID uses science as its basis and seeks evidence of design in nature and have testable hypothesis. Whereas Creationism believes in a supernatural cause and doesn't really explain how that happens.
Intelligent Design

ID pretends to use science as a basis, but in reality does not. Scientific concepts are based upon testable hypotheses. Scientists want to know if they are wrong. The people pushing ID seem to know that they are wrong. They will not form a testable hypothesis.

One of the apt descriptions of ID is that it is only creationism in a stolen lab coat.

 

[HitchSlap]

The YEC'ers couldn't get creationism taught in public schools, so they tried an end run and came up with "intelligent design." Fortunately, this was so transparent, even an evangelical judge saw right through it.

It's really not that hard to understand, AV.

 

[rturner76]

There are currently different versions of ID. They all tend to falll under the same sort of myth as creationism is.

Is there a test one can perform that could prove if the universe was created or existed from eternity?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Is there a test one can perform that could prove if the universe was created or existed from eternity?

The Big Bang Theory has an observable test that has been confirmed countless times that the universe as we know it had a beginning.

Please note that this does not mean that the universe itslef necessarily had a beginning.

Why do you ask? That really has nothing to do with ID or evolution.

 

[rturner76]

I am asking because the only difference between Theistic Evolution and Evolution is that Theistic Evolution assumes there was a creator. That the universe didn't come from "nothingness"

It was stated:

The Big Bang Theory has an observable test that has been confirmed countless times that the universe as we know it had a beginning.

This would seem to indicate that the "Big Bang" was produced through a cause and effect relationship which set up all the factors necessary to induce the evolutionary process.

Theorizing that the the cause in this scenario was a universal creative force would seem to be more of a theory than a myth to me.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I am asking because the only difference between Theistic Evolution and Evolution is that Theistic Evolution assumes there was a creator. That the universe didn't come from "nothingness"

Evolution , theistic or real evolution, has to do with the development of life. Not with the beginning of the universe.

It was stated:

This would seem to indicate that the "Big Bang" was produced through a cause and effect relationship which set up all the factors necessary to induce the evolutionary process.

No, it says nothing at all about the cause of the Big Bang. It is very clear that it happened. Why and how are not answered yet.

Theorizing that the the cause in this scenario was a universal creative force would seem to be more of a theory than a myth to me.

Nope, you don't seem to know what a theory is.

 

[AV1611VET]

Why didn't you include a Yes option?

What do you think OTHER is for?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

What do you think OTHER is for?

Why didn't you just put YES instead of OTHER?