My Creation Science Challenge

[AV1611VET]

Creationists who come up with that sort of remark, seem to overlook the fact that creation ex nihilo is, and always has been, a Christian dogma. In fact, before it became established as most likely true, the big bang theory was unpopular amongst atheist scientists for that very reason.

Because it was ex nihilo, or because God did it?

I would think it would be unpopular ... not because it was ex nihilo ... but because it brings God into the picture.

 

[HitchSlap]

Because it was ex nihilo, or because God did it?

I would think it would be unpopular ... not because it was ex nihilo ... but because it brings God into the picture.

It's "unpopular" because there's zero evidence to support your assertion.

 

[AV1611VET]

It's "unpopular" because there's zero evidence to support your assertion.

Hmmm.

If I was an atheist, I would think once someone said "IN THE BEGINNING, GOD" ... that's where the unpopularity would start.

 

[USincognito]

EVERYTHING IS ASSUMOTIONS!

It's as if the word conclusion or prediction simply does not exist.

It's ASSUMOTIONS all the way down.

He didn't like my assumptions meme and yet nearly every post of his validates it.

 

[HitchSlap]

Hmmm.

If I was an atheist, I would think once someone said "IN THE BEGINNING, GOD" ... that's where the unpopularity would start.

If you were an atheist, you'd understand why that would be a childish reason to consider it unpopular.

 

[lesliedellow]

Because it was ex nihilo, or because God did it?

I would think it would be unpopular ... not because it was ex nihilo ... but because it brings God into the picture.

It was unpopular because it would be possible for theists to interpret the big bang as being the moment of divine creation.

Nothing can compel that interpretation, but it is certainly a possible one.

 

[AV1611VET]

If you were an atheist, you'd understand why that would be a childish reason to consider it unpopular.

Um ... no.

In fact, that's what would make me an atheist.

Which makes a person an atheist: not believing in creatio ex nihilo, or not believing in God?

 

[RickG]

It was unpopular because it would be possible for theists to interpret the big bang as being the moment of divine creation.

Nothing can compel that interpretation, but it is certainly a possible one.

(emphasis mine)

 

[AV1611VET]

It was unpopular because it would be possible for theists to interpret the big bang as being the moment of divine creation.

I understand that.

But it seems to me its unpopularity with atheists would start even before that.

 

[RickG]

Um ... no.

In fact, that's what would make me an atheist.

Which makes a person an atheist: not believing in creatio ex nihilo, or not believing in God?

I disagree. Frankly, the OT is the biggest problem with Christianity. I think compilers of the bible should have excluded the OT completely.

 

[HitchSlap]

Um ... no.

Suggesting something is unpopular just because a god is mentioned, would be a childish reason.

In fact, that's what would make me an atheist.

Unbelief in supernatural claims is what makes you an atheist.

Which makes a person an atheist:

See above.

not believing in creatio ex nihilo,

Not believing in "creatio ex nihilo" (creationism/ID) is a result of education.

or not believing in God?

Not believing in god/s makes one an atheist.

 

[AV1611VET]

I disagree. Frankly, the OT is the biggest problem with Christianity. I think compilers of the bible should have excluded the OT completely.

I'm talking as an atheist now.

From what I think would be an atheist's perspective.

If I was an atheist, it wouldn't be "creatio ex nihilo" that I would think be unpopular; it would be "God" that I would have a problem with.

 

[Loudmouth]

Yes, I think it's ridiculous to think that suddenly out of a literal thin air/nowhere something happened, in that somewhere, something expanded, and that ends up the explanation for the beginning of it all.

Since no one is claiming that, I don't know what your problem is.

Do you really think desperate tactics by those that are that insecure with their beliefs will change my mind?

Do you know what projection is?

I'd rather be thought of as the stupidest man on the planet by the seemingly most brilliant people on the planet than to pretend to believe their stupidity. I mean seriously, look at some of the stuff you people buy already, it's like the kings clothes, some of you just agree to it because everyone else does and look where we are now because of that. Are you even bothering to take a close look at some of the nonsense some of you are calling fact?

So says the person who believes that a supernatural deity magically poofed a universe into being without any evidence to back it.

Problem is, once one has blinded themselves by believing something for so long, it's very hard to impossible for them to step back and actually see what's really there anymore.

Again, do you know what projection is?

 

[Loudmouth]

and?

And the cosmic microwave background, which is the evidence that the Big Bang occurred.

http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/universe/bb_tests_cmb.html

That doesn't change the fact it's assumption something expanding somewhere started it all.

It isn't an assumption. We have the evidence:

http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/universe/bb_tests_cmb.html

That's all I read of your two posts, LM...just understand how I might feel I'd just be wasting my time to read further.

That is completely false. You got to the part where I pointed to the evidence for the Big Bang and you are trying to pretend it doesn't exist.

 

[HitchSlap]

I'm talking as an atheist now.

IMHO, we're all atheist.

From what I think would be an atheist's perspective.

There is no "atheist perspective," only opinions of those who are atheist.
Atheism is a stance on one thing only; unbelief in the supernatural

If I was an atheist, it wouldn't be "creatio ex nihilo" that I would think be unpopular; it would be "God" that I would have a problem with.

I'm not surprised.

 

[Loudmouth]

I'm talking as an atheist now.

From what I think would be an atheist's perspective.

There is as much an atheist perspective as there is a non-golfer perspective or a non-Bigfoot believer perspective.

If I was an atheist, it wouldn't be "creatio ex nihilo" that I would think be unpopular; it would be "God" that I would have a problem with.

As a non-Bigfoot believer, would you have a problem with Bigfoot droppings in your front yard?

 

[lesliedellow]

I disagree. Frankly, the OT is the biggest problem with Christianity. I think compilers of the bible should have excluded the OT completely.

That might leave you with Jesus as a wise teacher, but it is difficult to see how Christian theology could survive the abandonment of the Old Testament. Even Jesus might not turn out to be all that wise, given that he took the OT for granted.

 

[RickG]

That might leave you with Jesus as a wise teacher, but it is difficult to see how Christian theology could survive the abandonment of the Old Testament. Even Jesus might not turn out to be all that wise, given that he took the OT for granted.

He didn't make any of the claims that creation science does.

 

[lesliedellow]

He didn't make any of the claims that creation science does.

What has that got to do with the idea that the OT should be expelled from the canon?

 

[RickG]

What has that got to do with the idea that the OT should be expelled from the canon?

Nothing, I was just responding to your comment.