You are confused again. Never said dinner poofed or refereed top it in that sense.. Rearrangement? of course. Existing materials = the ingredients I mentioned. What are you refuting there, lol. I already mentioned something about choosing to miss the point, but if you are afraid to admit someone creating things is the only way things come into existence by man so it makes perfect sense, creation brought the universe into existence, that's up to you.
Where did those goalposts go?
This whole thing started by the phrase "coming into being", originally in context of "poofing into existence out of nowhere".
If you agree that such a thing simply doesn't happen, and that everything that "comes into being", is merely just a rearrangement of previously existing material, then we are in agreement and can put the point to rest.
What?? No "who" is present right now either, but you still see the text I'm writing....ridiculous.
You seem to be getting lost in your very own points.
Let me remind you of your own statements... i'll bold the relevant passages:
Sure, drop in anytime, I'll make dinner. I'll create it and it will come into being. IOW, after created, it will "be".
Then you will claim "how did the ingredients come into being?", which will of course tell me you chose to miss the point.
The only way things can be is if they are created, we have irrefutable evidence that is absolute fact. I create, you create, happens every second of the day and in zero of those seconds, minutes, hours, weeks, years does anything come into being without that...NEVER on it's own. I wouldn't even have to explain this to a child.
So, your point was that things don't "come into being" without someone creating them. As we have agreed upon above, "coming into being" merely means the rearrangement of already existing materials (like cooking dinner from pre-existing ingredients).
Then you boldly claimed that the ONLY way that things "come into being" is when someone "creates" it.
Snowflakes "come into being". So does ice and rain.
So, who "creates" those snowflakes, ice and rain? Or do they rather form just fine on their own, without any "intelligent entity" being involved in their "creation"?
At least have the intellectual honesty to admit that your point clearly is to generalised and that it simply doesn't add up.
I'm fine with you admitting to it and then rephrasing your statement in such a way that it accomodates for things that
demonstrably form without any intelligent intervention.
But
clearly, your point as written is
not correct. Have the courage to admit it.
Guess that beats trying to address it.....cop out
Address what? You formulated a statement in my name - a statement I didn't write, and then addressed that statement. I don't think you could argue a strawman more blatantly then that.
Beats the heck out of expansion. How is it logical?
You mean, aside from the data that shows that the universe is
demonstrably expanding?
Perhaps you should realize it doesn't always revolve around you...general comment.
Then don't formulate statement in my name.
BTW, do you believe the God of the Bible exists?
I have no reason to.
Posted and reposted....If you were paying attention and reading the thread, there was no way you could have missed it.
Is it that hard for you to include a link to the actual post?
