My Coelacanth Challenge

[Kylie]

Speciation is what I consider as horizontal evolution and not vertical....Micro-evolution rather than Macro-evolutionism.

Would you care to give us a concise definition of speciation then?

Technically you may call speciation as "macro"...but there really isn't any vertical evolution where there are new traits established that have evolved as new systems, organs, appendages etc.....which should have happened according to evo-theory if they are indeed that old.

Do you think that evolution must produce every single possible variation in order to be true? No. It will only produce variations if those variations provide some increased benefit.

Oh, and if you insist on examples of new organs, appendages or whatever, let me point you towards centipedes. They have between 15 and 177 pairs of legs, depending on the species. How did they gain or lose legs? By repeating body segments. Does that count as new appendages? Because it is.

 

[-57]

Why should we care what you consider, or not? Why should we listen to you over the actual people doing the science?

Just what is that nasty remark suppose to mean?

 

[-57]

Oh, and if you insist on examples of new organs, appendages or whatever, let me point you towards centipedes. They have between 15 and 177 pairs of legs, depending on the species. How did they gain or lose legs? By repeating body segments. Does that count as new appendages? Because it is.

The legs already existed....there is no new leg making information.

 

[HitchSlap]

Just what is that nasty remark suppose to mean?

I thought it was pretty clear.

 

[-57]

I thought it was pretty clear.

No. Like most of your post you were rude.

 

[HitchSlap]

No. Like most of your post you were rude.

You seem to be under the impression all opinion are equal?

 

[Kylie]

The legs already existed....there is no new leg making information.

No they weren't. A centipede with 17 pairs of legs does not have another 20 pairs of legs hidden away somewhere. You asked for an example of new limbs being created and I gave it. You don't get to move the goalposts now.

 

[-57]

No they weren't. A centipede with 17 pairs of legs does not have another 20 pairs of legs hidden away somewhere. You asked for an example of new limbs being created and I gave it. You don't get to move the goalposts now.

The code to make them already exist.

 

[Kylie]

The code to make them already exist.

Ah, so you want something like a fly's halteres. The hind wings of a fly that have changed and are no longer wings but serve as balance organs. Don't tell me the code for them always existed, because they used to be wings, so the genetic code MUST have changed to make them what they are now. https://www.amentsoc.org/insects/fact-files/orders/diptera.html

 

[-57]

Ah, so you want something like a fly's halteres. The hind wings of a fly that have changed and are no longer wings but serve as balance organs. Don't tell me the code for them always existed, because they used to be wings, so the genetic code MUST have changed to make them what they are now. https://www.amentsoc.org/insects/fact-files/orders/diptera.html

All you have done is presented difference in the structures and assumed it was evolutionism. That's all.

Perhaps next you'll be pushing the blind cave fish.

 

[Kylie]

All you have done is presented difference in the structures and assumed it was evolutionism. That's all.

Perhaps next you'll be pushing the blind cave fish.

Evolutionism. lol. You act like it's a religion.

Very well. What would you count as an example of evidence supporting evolution?

 

[-57]

Evolutionism. lol. You act like it's a religion.

Very well. What would you count as an example of evidence supporting evolution?

The so-called evidence you presented didn't show the evolution of a BRAND new body part, appendage, system, organ etc...nor did it show any morphological change where one species has been reclassified as another species belonging to a different taxonomic rank of genus or family.

 

[Kylie]

The so-called evidence you presented didn't show the evolution of a BRAND new body part, appendage, system, organ etc...nor did it show any morphological change where one species has been reclassified as another species belonging to a different taxonomic rank of genus or family.

So you think a cat suddenly being born with a tentacle, or one animal giving birth to a different species is what is needed to have evidence for evolution?

 

[-57]

So you think a cat suddenly being born with a tentacle, or one animal giving birth to a different species is what is needed to have evidence for evolution?

Now your just being silly.
Can you show evolutionism is possible?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Can you show evolutionism is possible?

Evolutionism is, colloquially, belief in evolution, so it's not only possible, but widely held.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Evolutionism is, colloquially, belief in evolution, so it's not only possible, but widely held.

I think that -57 was talking more about the fact of evolution occurring as described in the literature of evolutionary science.

 

[-57]

Evolutionism is, colloquially, belief in evolution, so it's not only possible, but widely held.

Can you demonstrate that evolutionism is possible? In your own words present smething a little deeper than the typical coloring book version evolutionist typically present?

I say you can't.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

I think that -57 was talking more about the fact of evolution occurring as described in the literature of evolutionary science.

I was hoping that answering the question as asked would make a point.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Can you demonstrate that evolutionism is possible? In your own words present smething a little deeper than the typical coloring book version evolutionist typically present?

I say you can't.

What is this 'colouring book version' of evolution you keep harping on about?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Can you demonstrate that evolutionism is possible? In your own words present smething a little deeper than the typical coloring book version evolutionist typically present?

I say you can't.

As I said, anyone who believes in evolution is an evolutionist, so it's obviously possible.

If you mean evolution, do you think that my being able, or not, to demonstrate that it's possible, has any bearing on whether it actually is possible?

And how do you think I could demonstrate the possibility of evolution over the internet - what would you accept as a demonstration?