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If things are 'mature' because the material they are made out of has been around far longer than they have, then by extension, since everything is made of stuff that's been around since the big bang, everything is equally 'mature', and 'the word is meaningless in this context.It'll suffice.
QV please:If things are 'mature' because the material they are made out of ...
Please define "mature" in this context. I bet you can't give a definition which supports your silly semantic game.
Able to do what is expected of it.
Ex materia.
Beats me!So Why was the dust apparently 4.6 billion years old?
You still haven't explained what the relevance of 1000yrs of history for the tree is.Beats me!
It'll suffice.
Sounds like you're making an argument for YEC.I disagree. I think you've chosen that definition solely because it advances your own point of view. There's no good reason to conclude that the best definition of "Mature" is "able to do what it's intended to do." That definition actually fits the word "Capable," and maturity isn't needed for capability.
I cut down a 1000-year-old tree, hollow it out and make a canoe out of it; all in a day's time.
How old is the canoe when I'm finished?
If you are talking about the CANOE itself, then it has no maturity, but then again, it has no history either.
I disagree.
QV please:
Please define "mature" in this context. I bet you can't give a definition which supports your silly semantic game.Able to do what is expected of it.
That's a very unusual definition of "mature". Do you have anything to show that this is the best definition?
It'll suffice.
I disagree. I think you've chosen that definition solely because it advances your own point of view. There's no good reason to conclude that the best definition of "Mature" is "able to do what it's intended to do." That definition actually fits the word "Capable," and maturity isn't needed for capability.
Sounds like you're making an argument for YEC.
How in the world do you reach that conclusion?
The answer is: Who cares?! You should be arrested for trespassing and destroying a valued landmark in a National Conservation Park!
Can't believe I'm going back to this, but it occurs to me that you have this completely wrong. You have a canoe with 1000 years of history (inherited from the log) no matter how much maturity you want to give it.So now we have a 1-day old canoe, made from a 1000-year-old mature log.
So, in essence, we have a canoe that is mature, but without a history.
Would you say this is correct?
But not as a canoe.Can't believe I'm going back to this, but it occurs to me that you have this completely wrong. You have a canoe with 1000 years of history ...
My car is made of metal.
Is my car six thousand inherited years old?
The challenge shows that an object can have two ages: one existential and one physical.I really am struggling with this "challenge" because it makes zero sense. Perhaps if we were in a locked psych ward or were smoking some of the devil's lettuce but other than that it really doesn't make any sense to ask it or pose it.
The challenge shows that an object can have two ages: one existential and one physical.
That depends where you start - the atoms and molecules that make up the tree would be much older than the tree... So, by your 'physical age' method, the canoe is billions of years (or for YECs, 6 thousand years) old physically.The challenge shows that an object can have two ages: one existential and one physical.
The canoe is zero years old existentially, but one thousand years old physically.
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