My Archaeological Challenge

[DogmaHunter]

Since I'm always making the point that scientists can't find 2,000,000 Jews in a desert, let alone Noah's Ark, or a Babe in a manger or whatever; I thought I would help them out by posting this passage of Scripture.

Archeology is about finding things in the ground. Not in a book.
Off course, you can't find things that aren't there...

It's almost as if God had scientists in mind when He commanded Moses to keep a log.

Or it's almost like these events never took place...

In any event, here's their route:

Numbers 33:1 These are the journeys of the children of Israel, which went forth out of the land of Egypt with their armies under the hand of Moses and Aaron.
2 And Moses wrote their goings out according to their journeys by the commandment of the LORD: and these are their journeys according to their goings out.
3 And they departed from Rameses in the first month, on the fifteenth day of the first month; on the morrow after the passover the children of Israel went out with an high hand in the sight of all the Egyptians.
4 For the Egyptians buried all their firstborn, which the LORD had smitten among them: upon their gods also the LORD executed judgments.
5 And the children of Israel removed from Rameses, and pitched in Succoth.
6 And they departed from Succoth, and pitched in Etham, which is in the edge of the wilderness.
7 And they removed from Etham, and turned again unto Pihahiroth, which is before Baalzephon: and they pitched before Migdol.
8 And they departed from before Pihahiroth, and passed through the midst of the sea into the wilderness, and went three days' journey in the wilderness of Etham, and pitched in Marah.
9 And they removed from Marah, and came unto Elim: and in Elim were twelve fountains of water, and threescore and ten palm trees; and they pitched there.
10 And they removed from Elim, and encamped by the Red sea.
11 And they removed from the Red sea, and encamped in the wilderness of Sin.
12 And they took their journey out of the wilderness of Sin, and encamped in Dophkah.
13 And they departed from Dophkah, and encamped in Alush.
14 And they removed from Alush, and encamped at Rephidim, where was no water for the people to drink.
15 And they departed from Rephidim, and pitched in the wilderness of Sinai.
16 And they removed from the desert of Sinai, and pitched at Kibrothhattaavah.
17 And they departed from Kibrothhattaavah, and encamped at Hazeroth.
18 And they departed from Hazeroth, and pitched in Rithmah.
19 And they departed from Rithmah, and pitched at Rimmonparez.
20 And they departed from Rimmonparez, and pitched in Libnah.
21 And they removed from Libnah, and pitched at Rissah.
22 And they journeyed from Rissah, and pitched in Kehelathah.
23 And they went from Kehelathah, and pitched in mount Shapher.
24 And they removed from mount Shapher, and encamped in Haradah.
25 And they removed from Haradah, and pitched in Makheloth.
26 And they removed from Makheloth, and encamped at Tahath.
27 And they departed from Tahath, and pitched at Tarah.
28 And they removed from Tarah, and pitched in Mithcah.
29 And they went from Mithcah, and pitched in Hashmonah.
30 And they departed from Hashmonah, and encamped at Moseroth.
31 And they departed from Moseroth, and pitched in Benejaakan.
32 And they removed from Benejaakan, and encamped at Horhagidgad.
33 And they went from Horhagidgad, and pitched in Jotbathah.
34 And they removed from Jotbathah, and encamped at Ebronah.
35 And they departed from Ebronah, and encamped at Eziongaber.
36 And they removed from Eziongaber, and pitched in the wilderness of Zin, which is Kadesh.
37 And they removed from Kadesh, and pitched in mount Hor, in the edge of the land of Edom.
38 And Aaron the priest went up into mount Hor at the commandment of the LORD, and died there, in the fortieth year after the children of Israel were come out of the land of Egypt, in the first day of the fifth month.
39 And Aaron was an hundred and twenty and three years old when he died in mount Hor.
40 And king Arad the Canaanite, which dwelt in the south in the land of Canaan, heard of the coming of the children of Israel.
41 And they departed from mount Hor, and pitched in Zalmonah.
42 And they departed from Zalmonah, and pitched in Punon.
43 And they departed from Punon, and pitched in Oboth.
44 And they departed from Oboth, and pitched in Ijeabarim, in the border of Moab.
45 And they departed from Iim, and pitched in Dibongad.
46 And they removed from Dibongad, and encamped in Almondiblathaim.
47 And they removed from Almondiblathaim, and pitched in the mountains of Abarim, before Nebo.
48 And they departed from the mountains of Abarim, and pitched in the plains of Moab by Jordan near Jericho.
49 And they pitched by Jordan, from Bethjesimoth even unto Abelshittim in the plains of Moab.

It's adorable how you apparantly think that people who actually went to the desert to seek confirmation of this story, aren't aware of this story.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Find 2,000,000 Jews [okay, Hebrews] in the desert.

Your science can't do it, even with a map.

Lest these "ignorant nomads" make your high-and-mighty science look bad.

Scientists didn't find the house of Zeus on Mt Olympus either.

 

[AV1611VET]

New Jersey?

He set up shop in Pergamos at one time.

Revelation 2:12 And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges;
Revelation 2:13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.

It's interesting that Bishop Ioannis of Pergamos (2002), states that the theory of evolution does not present any problem for theology, and says it is acceptable as long as it proves that humankind is part of nature; intelligence is not exclusive to humankind but it only differs in degree, as Darwin noticed, and theology and biology do not have any reason to be disputed.

 

[AV1611VET]

It's adorable how you apparantly think that people who actually went to the desert to seek confirmation of this story, aren't aware of this story.

Maybe they went there, thinking it was a myth?

 

[AV1611VET]

Scientists didn't find the house of Zeus on Mt Olympus either.

Scientists are myopic.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Maybe they went there, thinking it was a myth?

Apparantly you aren't aware that most of the people who have an interest in confirming this story, were those people who actually believed it. Christians. Christians, going on a mission to "prove" the accuracy of their scripture.

They failed.

To non-christians, this story is just yet another religious story. Most of them don't consider it a worthy use of limited time and resources. Because you know, as written, the story doesn't seem very likely.

In fact, it's rather ridiculous... Hundreds of thousands of slaves, simply walking out of Egypt and not a single contemporary source (Egyptians themselves, neighbouring states, etc) cares to mention it? Then there's also the fact that there was 0 political or economical impact in Egypt itself. When you loose hundreds of thousands of cheap slave workers overnight, that will kind of have a devastating effect on that country.

You see, there weren't 7 billion people back then. The amount of slaves that supposedly left the country, would have been a BIG portion of the Egyptian population.

During the first dynasties, the TOTAL population of Egypt was somewhere between 1 and 2 million.

Let's be (very) optimistic and state that during the time the exodus alledgedly took place, the egyptian population numbered 5 million.

The exodus would then comprise more then TWENTY percent of the TOTAL population.

And all those people somehow succeeded in gathering enough food and water in the desert as well as not leave a single trace of ever wandering through that desert.

We can find traces of desert nomad tribes of 20-30 individuals, but apparantly, all traces of almost a million people have disappeared.




Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

 

[Goonie]

Oh joy another resurrected thread! Maybe CF should institute a policy of killing thread if not posted for three days.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Oh joy another resurrected thread! Maybe CF should institute a policy of killing thread if not posted for three days.

ugh.

I fell for it again.

 

[AV1611VET]

Apparantly you aren't aware that most of the people who have an interest in confirming this story, were those people who actually believed it. Christians. Christians, going on a mission to "prove" the accuracy of their scripture.

Maybe they started looking for them at the Sea of Reeds?

 

[AV1611VET]

Oh joy another resurrected thread! Maybe CF should institute a policy of killing thread if not posted for three days.

So in your opinion, a thread is "necroed" if it sits dormant for three days, then someone posts in it?

 

[Goonie]

So in your opinion, a thread is "necroed" if it sits dormant for three days, then someone posts in it?

Well I was giving it time for the resurrection. But in the context of the forum a more serious suggestion is a month.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Maybe they started looking for them at the Sea of Reeds?

Good job ignoring the points raised again.

If dodging was a job, you'ld be a millionaire.

 

[AV1611VET]

Good job ignoring the points raised again.

If dodging was a job, you'ld be a millionaire.

So my point goes unanswered?

If I wrote and said I crossed Main Street at the courthouse, and someone said I crossed Main Street at the schoolhouse, it wouldn't matter?

 

[DogmaHunter]

So my point goes unanswered?

If I wrote and said I crossed Main Street at the courthouse, and someone said I crossed Main Street at the schoolhouse, it wouldn't matter?

Again, it's adorable that you apparantly think that you are the only one who is aware what the scriptures have to say concerning this supposed event.

Did you even read the rest of my post?

 

[quatona]

It's interesting that Bishop Ioannis of Pergamos (2002), states that the theory of evolution does not present any problem for theology,

Depends on the theology.

 

[AirPo]

And where did Satan come from?

Someone's imagination.

 

[AirPo]

I'd say you have just about as much chance at using that, as you do your most sophisticated equipment.

That's why I take your myopic science with a grain of salt when it comes to Biblical things.

That's why we take your Biblical things with a grain of salt when it comes to science.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Maybe they went there, thinking it was a myth?

Are you suggesting nobody ever went there thinking it was true?

 

[TLK Valentine]

That's why I take your myopic science with a grain of salt when it comes to Biblical things.

You mean your own things, don't you?

 

[quatona]

You mean your own things, don't you?

He even takes the bible with a grain of salt when it comes to his own things.