My Aquarium

[Dimitree]

Are you really that sure that you know what god has said. I think not.

ahh you are so confused
Your mind takes you to unknown roads and your rock is the words of others

 

[Lord_Marx]

So my point is that if you think that ALL this exist in such an order just becaouse it acidentaly formed by mixture of molecules and atoms then you are seriusly wrong ._.
That was my point

But there are types of fish that live in naturally (randomly) formed lakes and rivers as well. The tank is not required for them to live, it tries to reproduce their natural environment. From what we know animals adapt to their environment, there is no recorded instance of an environment ever adapting to an animal.

 

[I_Love_Cheese]

ahh you are so confused
Your mind takes you to unknown roads and your rock is the words of others

Sorry AV you are exposed, you have no real interest in discussion.

 

[JohnR7]

Are you really that sure that you know what god has said.

We are not talking about what God "said" right now. We are talking about what God shows us as in helping us to understand. That actually is what science is all about is understanding the world we live in.

Ephes. 1:17-18
that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him, [18] the eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that you may know what is the hope of His calling, what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints,

Is this to difficult for you to understand when Paul talks about "the eyes of your understanding being enlightened?" You know what eyes are and you know what understanding is, and you should have a little bit of an idea of what enlightenment is. After all science talks about the age of enlightenment, in connection with the age of reason.

Did you ever think that maybe it was God that opened up the eyes of science so they could be enlightened?

I think not.

Then perhaps you should give it a little bit of thought then.

 

[JohnR7]

there is no recorded instance of an environment ever adapting to an animal.

Oh, I do not know about that. There are lots of seeds that have to go through an animal in order to be able to grow. How many times have you heard the story of someone that was eating a watermellon and they spit out the seeds and the seeds grew? Once my wife droped her salad and tomato plants started to grow there. We grew tomatos in that area for years after that.

In the natural invironment they say only 3% of the fish hatch and grow. But in the fish hatcherys they say they can get 85% of the fish to grow and mature. The result is that the lakes and the rivers have been replenished now and the fish are back again. Growers say they can get 97% of the seeds to grow. You may not even get 3% of them to grow out in the natural world. Not unless you provide all of the right conditions for them to grow.

 

[Pete Harcoff]

Did you ever think of putting Piranhas in there? I hear they got a bad rap and are actually pretty friendly once you get to know them

Yeah, Piranhas are pretty docile fish actually. Although I'm sure they would eat some of my smaller guys if given half a chance.

 

[Pete Harcoff]

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So my point is that if you think that ALL this exist in such an order just becaouse it acidentaly formed by mixture of molecules and atoms then you are seriusly wrong ._.
That was my point

Oh well, I guess we're wrong, then.

Er... what does this have to do with C/E again?

 

[Hydra009]

Oh well, I guess we're wrong, then.

Er... what does this have to do with C/E again?

Crevogetics. Arguments from incredulity, argument from design, you know the drill.

 

[Lord_Marx]

In the natural invironment they say only 3% of the fish hatch and grow. But in the fish hatcherys they say they can get 85% of the fish to grow and mature. The result is that the lakes and the rivers have been replenished now and the fish are back again. Growers say they can get 97% of the seeds to grow. You may not even get 3% of them to grow out in the natural world. Not unless you provide all of the right conditions for them to grow.

I'm not saying that animals and humans are incapable of changing their environment, I'm saying that the environment will never change on it's own to support an animal. If a species cannot survive in a given environment it will die unlike in a fish tank where the entire environment can change to accommodate the fish.

Anyway, if we are all God's fish he must be a bad owner since there are still aggressive fish in the tank, it's getting dirtier and dirtier, many fish are sick, and others are getting no food. It may be the fish who have caused many of these problems but he is still not doing anything to make things better.

 

[JohnR7]

He is still not doing anything to make things better.

Yes He is. God has a plan to redeem and to restore all of creation back to His origional purpose and intention. This whole world will become like Eden. Even as far back as Plato, man has tried to turn this earth into a "utopia", but man has not been able to do what only God can do.

 

[Goatboy]

Yes He is. God has a plan to redeem and to restore all of creation back to His origional purpose and intention. This whole world will become like Eden

And most of us are going to get flushed.

 

[h2whoa]

I like fish.

 

[JohnR7]

And most of us are going to get flushed.

Two thirds will get "flushed" but one third will be saved.

Zech. 13:9
I will bring the one-third through the fire,
Will refine them as silver is refined,
And test them as gold is tested.
They will call on My name,
And I will answer them.
I will say, 'This is My people';
And each one will say, 'The Lord is my God.' "

I do not think that 2/3 of the people here on this board will get flushed. It maybe a love-hate relationship, but something is drawing them here and that something is God drawing them onto Himself. I don't even see them put up that much of a fight against God, unless something or someone insults them

 

[OdwinOddball]

If your not here to learn about God, then what are you doing here? I can not image that anyone would want to come here just to cause trouble.

Off topic, but I'll go ahead and answer.

Why did I come here? Because some Christians are trying to turn this country into a theocracy. Because some Christians are trying to make our children scientifically illiterate by pushing fantasy instead of science. Because some Christians are far too concerned with what other people do in their private lives. Because we are no longer keeping up with the rest of the world in scientific pursits. Because we are rapidily approaching the point where most research done in this country is not done by Americans, but by foriegn grad students. Because we live in a technology based world, yet we encourage our children to forgo science education and play football instead.

I am here not to learn about god, you are correct in that. I am what is called a Strong Atheist. I consider the evidence against the existence of any form of diety as described by mankind as undeniable. The religions of the world all smack of human desires and emotions, as do their gods. There is nothing supernatural in religion, just a need for people to feel like they are protected, special, eternal, and part of something bigger than themselves.

No, I am here to fight against people like yourself who would hamstring this country in favor of out moded idealogies and superstitious beliefs. People who are far too concerened with what happens when/after they die, and not nearly concerned enough about what is happening here and now.

 

[Gracchus]

If your not here to learn about God, then what are you doing here?

If I want to learn about God I study mathematics, or listen to classical music. I come here to study delusions, dementias and rationalization of absurdities.

I can not image that anyone would want to come here just to cause trouble.

That's funny, JohnR7, because some of us remember when you admitted that you are here just to rattle cages.

 

[Lord_Marx]

Yes He is. God has a plan to redeem and to restore all of creation back to His origional purpose and intention. This whole world will become like Eden. Even as far back as Plato, man has tried to turn this earth into a "utopia", but man has not been able to do what only God can do.

So God just keeps telling that fish that he'll get them a new tank someday, but day after day the fish continue to suffer and God who could easily fix thier existing tank just continues to do nothing?

 

[Dannager]

I'm seeing a new cosmology being constructed as we speak. All good fish go to that big toilet bowl in the sky when they die, to be flushed and returned to the great beyond. Bad fish, though, they get thrown into the frying pan of despair and burn for all eternity. Shaping up, no?

 

[Gracchus]

Anyway o-o here is the point.
If you had read the Bible you would get it long ago

If i can make this aquarium in 2 days as being a human…

First, I suspect you actually went out and bought all the stuff for your aquarium, and that you didn’t make it.

…why can't God make all that exists in 7 ?

Because God couldn’t make just any old universe, he had to make it possible for you to “make” your aquarium. First he had to set up a quantum fluctuation that would trigger the big bang and generate hydrogen to respond to gravitational forces that would form stars to generate the silicon, aluminum, etc, so you would have the wherewithal to build your aquarium. Then he had to set up the parameters so that there would be a planet to keep your aquarium from flying off, and all the water from evacuating in a vacuum, and he had to set in motion the erosional forces to break down the rocks to provide the sand for the glass and gravel in your aquarium, and start evolution going so you would have fish and water plants in your aquarium, and humans smart enough to actually make aquariums, and a socio-economic system where you could go out and buy your aquarium and your fish, and plants, and gravel, and filter, and factories to make the light, and power plants to generate the necessary electricity, and … well you get the idea. So it actually took a lot of time to “make” your aquarium. Thus, we see that the protasis of your question is false and your question becomes meaningless.

If i can see what all my fish are doing being a human…

But being human, you can’t be aware that your fish are actually working on a theorem in the theory of prime numbers. So again you have postulated a false protasis.

..why can't God know what you think and what's in your heart and what you are doing ?

I see no reason why he can’t, but then I see no reason he should be at all interested. He just made the universe so you could have your damned aquarium.

If i can give food to my fish and take care of them why can't God do so ?

Now you want him to take care of your pets?

If i know how much sand and stones are in my aquarium then why do you doubt that God has created all that exists and He placed it and manages it by His will ?

Hey, if he manages your aquarium, do you suppose he would take care of my dog if I bought one?

If i placed the water pump on the right side of my aquarium with the intention to make the water spin so i can have a circulation then why can't God place His winds to blow from here to there and why can't He make the water in the oceans move from here to there ?

Because he is too darned busy TAKING CARE OF YOUR STINKING AQUARIUM!

If i can place a light blub for my fish and turn it on and off whenever i want then why can't God do zillion times more ?

Now you want God to switch your aquarium light on and off for you? Dang! Who was your little slave last year?

This was my point in general o-o

I don’t get it. What was your point in particular?

Maby you should get and aquarium too ^-^

No, I think I’ll give God a break.

 

[steen]

Off topic, but I'll go ahead and answer.

Why did I come here? Because some Christians are trying to turn this country into a theocracy. Because some Christians are trying to make our children scientifically illiterate by pushing fantasy instead of science. Because some Christians are far too concerned with what other people do in their private lives. Because we are no longer keeping up with the rest of the world in scientific pursits. Because we are rapidily approaching the point where most research done in this country is not done by Americans, but by foriegn grad students. Because we live in a technology based world, yet we encourage our children to forgo science education and play football instead.

I am here not to learn about god, you are correct in that. I am what is called a Strong Atheist. I consider the evidence against the existence of any form of diety as described by mankind as undeniable. The religions of the world all smack of human desires and emotions, as do their gods. There is nothing supernatural in religion, just a need for people to feel like they are protected, special, eternal, and part of something bigger than themselves.

No, I am here to fight against people like yourself who would hamstring this country in favor of out moded idealogies and superstitious beliefs. People who are far too concerened with what happens when/after they die, and not nearly concerned enough about what is happening here and now.

A s a Christian, I second your post.