My Accuracy Challenge

[Subduction Zone]

A few months ago, I read "Proof of Heaven: A Neurosurgeon's Journey into the Afterlife" by Dr. Eben Alexander. While he may be making the entire thing up, I'm convinced that he did visit heaven, while brain dead, and that his story is true. As usual, there are those who dismiss his story, but as a neurosurgeon he does carry a bit of legitimacy in my opinion.

If you're interested in that sort of thing, I recommend it.

Except further studies have explained NDE's. Someone who has undergone one may be a good witness to what he experienced, he is no longer an unbiased person when it comes to explaining them.

 

[bhsmte]

A few months ago, I read "Proof of Heaven: A Neurosurgeon's Journey into the Afterlife" by Dr. Eben Alexander. While he may be making the entire thing up, I'm convinced that he did visit heaven, while brain dead, and that his story is true. As usual, there are those who dismiss his story, but as a neurosurgeon he does carry a bit of legitimacy in my opinion.

If you're interested in that sort of thing, I recommend it.

NDE's are quite interesting no question.

With that said, those that experience the phenomenon are not really brain dead, as the diagnostic equipment just doesn't detect any sign of life. Neurologists have acknowledged, that when a brain starts to become deprived of oxygen and nears death, a flood of electrical activity can occur, that cause the experiences that those with NDE's have. In fact, a neuropsychologist in Canada, has reproduced some of these same experiences, by stimulating parts of the brain in patients and they tend to experience things that align with their own personal beliefs.

 

[justlookinla]

Except further studies have explained NDE's. Someone who has undergone one may be a good witness to what he experienced, he is no longer an unbiased person when it comes to explaining them.

Yes, if someone has experienced something, they're no longer unbiased.

I don't know of any studies which have explained the experiences while the individual was brain dead, maybe there's been some but I'm not aware of them. There are also those experiences where the heart flatlined. but there was still brain activity. Some have surmised that the NDE in those instances was just a survival mechanism in the brain. Of course there's no way to prove it conclusively either way. In most cases though, those who have experienced NDEs view life and the afterlife differently than they did before. It was literally a life changing experience for them.

 

[bhsmte]

Neither of you has a shred of credibility left. Sorry. You may cease to pretend you know everything now.

And you're credibility comes out loud and clear in your posts.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Oh goody, you listened to Laura Schlesinger too? Yes a rabbit chews the cud. Deal with it. The law was written for a purpose, and that purpose was not to argue over it.

You mean story, don't you?

So I'll weigh the same on the moon? Good to know.

It depends upon how you "weigh" yourself. If you are 150 pounds on the Earth you would be about 25 pounds on the Moon. But if you "weigh" 68 kilograms on the Earth you would still "weigh" 68 kilograms on the Moon. Technically pounds are a unit of force and kilograms are a unit of mass.

 

[bhsmte]

Yes, if someone has experienced something, they're no longer unbiased.

I don't know of any studies which have explained the experiences while the individual was brain dead, maybe there's been some but I'm not aware of them. There are also those experiences where the heart flatlined. but there was still brain activity. Some have surmised that the NDE in those instances was just a survival mechanism in the brain. Of course there's no way to prove it conclusively either way. In most cases though, those who have experienced NDEs view life and the afterlife differently than they did before. It was literally a life changing experience for them.

I'd imagine that would be a life changing experience.

Info on NDE's. You don't do links, but others do.

Peace of Mind: Near-Death Experiences Now Found to Have Scientific Explanations - Scientific American

 

[justlookinla]

NDE's are quite interesting no question.

With that said, those that experience the phenomenon are not really brain dead, as the diagnostic equipment just doesn't detect any sign of life. Neurologists have acknowledged, that when a brain starts to become deprived of oxygen and nears death, a flood of electrical activity can occur, that cause the experiences that those with NDE's have. In fact, a neuropsychologist in Canada, has reproduced some of these same experiences, by stimulating parts of the brain in patients and they tend to experience things that align with their own personal beliefs.

Yes, there are those experiments which have electrically stimulated various parts of the brain which then produced NDE-like experiences. Also, pilots who experience high g-forces have a sense of being out of body, which isn't strictly the same as NDEs.

 

[justlookinla]

I'd imagine that would be a life changing experience.

Info on NDE's. You don't do links, but others do.

Peace of Mind: Near-Death Experiences Now Found to Have Scientific Explanations - Scientific American

I would suggest reading both sides of the story though, not just the one's which agree with one's view.

 

[bhsmte]

Yes, there are those experiments which have electrically stimulated various parts of the brain which then produced NDE-like experiences. Also, pilots who experience high g-forces have a sense of being out of body, which isn't strictly the same as NDEs.

Actually, some have similar experience, who are not near death, but the same phenomenon is triggered in the brain.

 

[bhsmte]

I would suggest reading both sides of the story though, not just the one's which agree with one's view.

How do you know I haven't?

 

[PsychoSarah]

A few months ago, I read "Proof of Heaven: A Neurosurgeon's Journey into the Afterlife" by Dr. Eben Alexander. While he may be making the entire thing up, I'm convinced that he did visit heaven, while brain dead, and that his story is true. As usual, there are those who dismiss his story, but as a neurosurgeon he does carry a bit of legitimacy in my opinion.

If you're interested in that sort of thing, I recommend it.

No, you don't understand, brain dead people never wake up again. Brain death is basically where the brain is dead while the rest of the body may or may not be alive. In less classy terms, it is "being a vegetable".

 

[PsychoSarah]

Neither of you has a shred of credibility left. Sorry. You may cease to pretend you know everything now.

Exactly what makes you have any right to make that determination, much less I would like you to express what actions of ours beyond just disagreeing with you that contributed to that.

 

[Kylie]

I believe chewing the cud now means chewing an amount of food that has been brought up into the mouth from one of four different stomachs.

As I understand it, an animal with four stomachs is called a "ruminant."

Food, such as grass, cannot be digested in an "ordinary" stomach, hence cats and dogs reguritate it after eating it.

Ruminants, however, have four stomachs that can process these grasses.

And do rabbits do that? Please provide a valid source for this, such as a biological website.

 

[Kylie]

Seems very relevant to me.

ANY world. How can you verify ANY information you come across?

You know this is what I meant, so stop playing games and answer the question.

 

[Kylie]

You're getting at suggesting one discard the bible and embrace your worldview?

I am suggesting that one embrace only what can be shown to be true. Are you suggesting that this is a bad idea?

 

[Kylie]

I did not see him even imply discarding the Bible.

Ahem. Her.

 

[Kylie]

Reality says an object in motion will tend to stay in motion ... God stopped the earth's rotation.

Allegedly.

Reality says things decompose ... God halted the decomposition process during the wilderness wanderings.

Allegedly.

Reality says objects burn up ... God prevented a bush and Daniel's three friends from burning up.

Allegedly.

Reality says a two-piece fish dinner can't feed 5000 people ... God had them take up twelve basketsful when they were done eating.

Allegedly.

 

[Kylie]

Oh goody, you listened to Laura Schlesinger too? Yes a rabbit chews the cud. Deal with it. The law was written for a purpose, and that purpose was not to argue over it.

So a rabbit performs the same action as a cow, does it? A rabbit does not chew the cud.

And I will argue over a law if the law is encouraging blind obedience.

So I'll weigh the same on the moon? Good to know.

Now you're just being immature. The laws governing how masses behave on Earth work the same on the moon. Stop playing games and address the issue.

 

[Kylie]

Since I don't know of any such places, I don't know how to vote. (And it seems like there's a logical fallacy in your first sentence relative to the OP. I just can't put my finger on it...)

As I mentioned, the Bible claims rabbits chew the cud, which is demonstrably false.

And if you find the logical fallacy, lemme know.

So it seems you're defining "reality" as "that which comes to us through our senses". Right? So reality includes those people who hear voices telling them that they're Napoleon. Reality includes people who look at colors but only see shades of gray. Reality includes people with paresthesias, who can't sense that an oven is hot by touching it.

Well, the people are genuinely hearing voices, but that's not because they're being spoken to by some other entity or anything. The voices come from within their own head, and they are just unable to realise that it's their own minds speaking to them.

Reality is what can actually be shown to be true, that which is objectively true. It is objectively true that the moon is smaller than the Earth, for example.

Given what I just said above, are you implying that there are different sets of reality? That what's reality to one person is different from what's reality to another person? It seems to me that our senses can't always be trusted to tell us what's reality, unless you're positing that there is no reality, or that reality is subjective.

There is only one reality, and it is the same reality for all people.

There are many different perceptions of that reality however. Don't confuse the perception of reality with reality itself.

 

[Kylie]

How do you know I haven't?

Because you disagree with him, of course!