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Muslims do not know who they worship

Discussion in 'Christianity and World Religion' started by CherubRam, Mar 22, 2018.

  1. Basil the Great

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    If you do an internet search, you will find that many/most religious writers express the view that Muslims, Jews and Christians all worship the same God - the God of Abraham.
     
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    You guys are told explicitly that Samuel means name of God, name of God while generations leading to Noah went astray and got corrupt due to people taking that title for themselves, that Adam is created in God's Image, that Jesus is God's word, and all this is in Quran but more of am implicit manner, and the theme of the meaning of Yahweh is in Quran as well, and the emphasis on true kings and the twelve, etc, and the One who God will send to release the knots on the tongues of the Prophets but God got upset and said you have Aaron who has chosen offspring like Abraham had chosen offspring like Isaac, Jacob, and Joseph, you have all that, but remain utterly blind. So woe to those who can't understand iota of a book from God, Mohammad understood the Torah much better than you, and certainly the Quran explains the Torah in much better manner.

    In a manner that doesn't allow people to replace the Mastery of God in the Kings he appoints and Leaders he guides by, with fallible clueless people as you have done.

    And if you keep in mind what Yahweh means, you will not only see Quran has emphasized on the meaning, but has put themes with respect to it all over the Quran.

    But you have to begin to reflect sincerely.
     
  3. CherubRam

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    Modern Buddhist usage tends to restrict ‘nirvāṇa’ to the awakening experience and reserve ‘parinirvāṇa’ for the death experience.
     
  4. CherubRam

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    Enough junk. Where is the scriptures for any of that?
     
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    I understand Parinibbana to be the completion/fulfillment of nibbana.
     
  6. CherubRam

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    Only Liberals would say such a thing. Allah in Hebrew means oak.
     
  7. AskTheFamily

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    Pick the biggest contention and I will post proof from scripture.
     
  8. CherubRam

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    Where in the Quran does Mohammad speak God's personal name?
     
  9. AskTheFamily

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    Rephrase the question.

    In clarification, do you mean where in the Quran does it talk about what the name of God (humans like Samuel) is or do you mean where in the Quran does it talk about Yahweh in meaning?
     
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    Look at you, being all expert at what everyone else believes.
     
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  11. CherubRam

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    Where in the Quran does Mohammad use God's PERSONAL NAME? Not Titles, but His "personal name."

    God’s personal name (Yahwah) is used over 7,000 times in the Bible.
     
  12. AskTheFamily

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    His representatives are his personal names.

    So I am asking you, are you asking where he emphasis on the term/title Yahweh?

    Or are you asking where he explained and talked about what is his name is?
     
  13. CherubRam

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    Just make your best case for God's personal name.
     
  14. Netgear

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    I thought we all worshipped the same God? Muslims i speak to agree with that.
     
  15. CherubRam

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    Allah is the short form for Alilah, for which is a Pagan god. Allah is not the God of Abraham. Muslims believe that we worship the same God, but that is not true.
     
  16. CherubRam

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    How important is a name?

    Hebrew scribes omitted the "h", changing Jeho (יְהוֹ) into Jo (יוֹ), to make the start of "Yeho-" so names would not sound like an attempt to pronounce the Divine Name.

    Ye is Yah, Je is Yah, Jo is Yah, Ya is Yah, Yeh is Yah, Ja is Yah. What is the reason for that?

    Ya/shua is Yah/shua.
    Yahwah's name was in the original New Testament scriptures

    After killing Hebrew Christians, the Jews would take the New testament scripture written in Hebrew, and carefully cut the name of God out. Then they would place the divine name in a safe place to keep. Following that, they then would burn the remainder of the scrolls in a fire. Rabbi Yose who lived during the second century AD states that, "One cuts out the reference to the Divine Name which are in them [the New Testament writings] and stores them away, and the rest burns." One of his characteristic sayings is, "He who proclaimed the coming of the Messiah,[John] and he who hated scholars [Yahshua] and his disciples; and that false prophet and those slanderers, will have no part in the future world."

    According to Wilhelm Bacher this was directed against the Hebrew Christians. And so it is an established fact then, that the disciples of Christ did in fact write the Holy Name of God into the original New Testament.

    John 17:11
    I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name—the name you gave me—so that they may be one as we are one.

    Hebrews 2:12
    He says, “I will declare your name to my brothers; in the presence of the congregation I will sing your praises.”

    Where do you see the name Yahwah in the New Testament?


    I am not associated with the Sacred Name people. I had a personal experience that has lead me to this path.

    When I first started teaching that God's name is Yahwah, Christians would say to me, "I do not know who Yahwah is, nor do I want to have anything to do with him; I only want to worship Jesus." We know as a matter of fact that the name Jesus is not the birth name of Christ. That name was made up about 500 years ago. The name Jesus is cultivated, the name Yahshua is not.

    Psalm 118:26
    Blessed is he [Yahshua] who comes in the name of [the LORD / Yahwah.] From the house of [the LORD / Yahwah] we bless you.

    Psalm 144:15
    Blessed are the people of whom this is true; blessed are the people whose God is [the LORD / Yahwah.]

    Psalm 14:4
    Will evildoers never learn— those who devour my people as men eat bread and who do not call on Yahwah ?

    Psalm 53:4
    Will the evildoers never learn— those who devour my people like men eating bread and who do not call on Elohiym?

    Psalm 79:6
    Pour out your wrath on the nations that do not acknowledge you, on the kingdoms that do not call on your name;

    Jeremiah 10:25
    Pour out your wrath on the nations that do not acknowledge you, on the peoples who do not call on your name. For they have devoured Jacob; they have devoured him completely and destroyed his homeland.

    What is the name of his son
    Proverbs 30:4
    Who has gone up to heaven and come down? Whose hands have gathered up the wind? Who has wrapped up the waters in a cloak? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is his name, and what is the name of his son? Surely you know!

    Genesis 48:16
    the Angel who has delivered me from all harm —may he bless these boys. May they be called by my name and the names of my fathers Abraham and Isaac, and may they increase greatly on the earth.”

    Exodus 3:15
    God also said to Moses, “Say to the Israelites, ‘[The LORD / Yahwah], the God of your fathers—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob—has sent me to you.’ “This is my name forever, the name you shall call me from generation to generation.

    Exodus 6:3
    I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac and to Jacob as God Almighty, but by my name [the LORD / Yahwah] I did not make myself fully known to them.

    Exodus 9:16
    But I have raised you up for this very purpose, that I might show you my power and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.

    Exodus 20:24
    “‘Make an altar of earth for me and sacrifice on it your burnt offerings and fellowship offerings, your sheep and goats and your cattle. Wherever I cause my name to be honored, I will come to you and bless you.

    Exodus 23:21
    Pay attention to him and listen to what he says. Do not rebel against him; he will not forgive your rebellion, since my Name is in him.

    Exodus 33:19
    And [the LORD / Yahwah] said, “I will cause all my goodness to pass in front of you, and I will proclaim my name, [the LORD / Yahwah], in your presence. I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

    Leviticus 19:12
    “‘Do not swear falsely by my name and so profane the name of your God. I am [the LORD / Yahwah].

    Numbers 6:27
    “So they will put my name on the Israelites, and I will bless them.”

    Deuteronomy 18:19
    I myself will call to account anyone who does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name.

    Deuteronomy 18:20
    But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, is to be put to death.”

    1 Samuel 24:21
    Now swear to me by [the LORD / Yahwah] that you will not kill off my descendants or wipe out my name from my father’s family.”

    1 Kings 5:5
    I intend, therefore, to build a temple for the Name of [the LORD / Yahwah] my God, as [the LORD / Yahwah] told my father David, when he said, ‘Your son whom I will put on the throne in your place will build the temple for my Name.’

    1 Kings 8:18
    But [the LORD / Yahwah] said to my father David, ‘You did well to have it in your heart to build a temple for my Name.

    2 Kings 21:4
    He built altars in the temple of [the LORD / Yahwah], of which [the LORD / Yahwah] had said, “In Jerusalem I will put my Name.”

    2 Kings 21:7
    He took the carved Asherah pole he had made and put it in the temple, of which [the LORD / Yahwah] had said to David and to his son Solomon, “In this temple and in Jerusalem, which I have chosen out of all the tribes of Israel, I will put my Name forever.

    2 Chronicles 6:5
    ‘Since the day I brought my people out of Egypt, I have not chosen a city in any tribe of Israel to have a temple built so that my Name might be there, nor have I chosen anyone to be ruler over my people Israel.

    2 Chronicles 6:6
    But now I have chosen Jerusalem for my Name to be there, and I have chosen David to rule my people Israel.’

    2 Chronicles 6:8
    But [the LORD / yahwah] said to my father David, ‘You did well to have it in your heart to build a temple for my Name.

    2 Chronicles 6:9
    Nevertheless, you are not the one to build the temple, but your son, your own flesh and blood—he is the one who will build the temple for my Name.’

    2 Chronicles 7:14
    if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.

    2 Chronicles 7:16
    I have chosen and consecrated this temple so that my Name may be there forever. My eyes and my heart will always be there.

    2 Chronicles 7:20
    then I will uproot Israel from my land, which I have given them, and will reject this temple I have consecrated for my Name. I will make it a byword and an object of ridicule among all peoples.

    2 Chronicles 33:4
    He built altars in the temple of [the LORD / Yahwah], of which [the LORD / Yahwah] had said, “My Name will remain in Jerusalem forever.”

    2 Chronicles 33:7
    He took the image he had made and put it in God’s temple, of which God had said to David and to his son Solomon, “In this temple and in Jerusalem, which I have chosen out of all the tribes of Israel, I will put my Name forever.

    Nehemiah 1:9
    but if you return to me and obey my commands, then even if your exiled people are at the farthest horizon, I will gather them from there and bring them to the place I have chosen as a dwelling for my Name.’

    Psalm 89:24
    My faithful love will be with him, and through my name his horn will be exalted.

    Psalm 91:14
    “Because he loves me,” says [the LORD / Yahwah], “I will rescue him; I will protect him, for he acknowledges my name.

    Psalm 102:8
    All day long my enemies taunt me; those who rail against me use my name as a curse.

    Isaiah 29:23
    When they see among them their children, the work of my hands, they will keep my name holy; they will acknowledge the holiness of the Holy One of Jacob, and will stand in awe of the God of Israel.

    Isaiah 41:25
    “I have stirred up one from the north, and he comes— one from the rising sun who calls on my name. He treads on rulers as if they were mortar, as if he were a potter treading the clay.

    Isaiah 42:8
    “I am [the LORD / Yahwah]; that is my name! I will not yield my glory to another or my praise to idols.

    Isaiah 43:7
    everyone who is called by my name, whom I created for my glory, whom I formed and made.”

    Isaiah 49:1
    [ The Servant of the LORD ] Listen to me, you islands; hear this, you distant nations: Before I was born [the LORD / Yahwah] called me; from my mother’s womb he has spoken my name.

    Isaiah 52:5
    “And now what do I have here?” declares [the LORD / Yahwah]. “For my people have been taken away for nothing, and those who rule them mock, ” declares [the LORD / Yahwah]. “And all day long my name is constantly blasphemed.

    Isaiah 52:6
    Therefore my people will know my name; therefore in that day they will know that it is I who foretold it. Yes, it is I.”

    Isaiah 65:1
    [ Judgment and Salvation ] “I revealed myself to those who did not ask for me; I was found by those who did not seek me. To a nation that did not call on my name, I said, ‘Here am I, here am I.’

    Isaiah 66:5
    Hear the word of [the LORD / Yahwah], you who tremble at his word: “Your own people who hate you, and exclude you because of my name, have said, ‘Let [the LORD / Yahwah] be glorified, that we may see your joy!’ Yet they will be put to shame.

    Jeremiah 7:10
    and then come and stand before me in this house, which bears my Name, and say, “We are safe”—safe to do all these detestable things?

    Jeremiah 7:11
    Has this house, which bears my Name, become a den of robbers to you? But I have been watching! declares [the LORD / Yahwah].

    Jeremiah 7:12
    “‘Go now to the place in Shiloh where I first made a dwelling for my Name, and see what I did to it because of the wickedness of my people Israel.

    Jeremiah 7:14
    Therefore, what I did to Shiloh I will now do to the house that bears my Name, the temple you trust in, the place I gave to you and your ancestors.

    Jeremiah 7:30
    [ The Valley of Slaughter ] “‘The people of Judah have done evil in my eyes, declares [the LORD / Yahwah]. They have set up their detestable idols in the house that bears my Name and have defiled it.

    Jeremiah 12:16
    And if they learn well the ways of my people and swear by my name, saying, ‘As surely as [the LORD / Yahwah] lives’—even as they once taught my people to swear by Baal—then they will be established among my people.

    Jeremiah 14:14
    Then [the LORD / Yahwah] said to me, “The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I have not sent them or appointed them or spoken to them. They are prophesying to you false visions, divinations, idolatries and the delusions of their own minds.

    Jeremiah 14:15
    Therefore this is what [the LORD / Yahwah] says about the prophets who are prophesying in my name: I did not send them, yet they are saying, ‘No sword or famine will touch this land.’ Those same prophets will perish by sword and famine.

    Jeremiah 16:21
    “Therefore I will teach them— this time I will teach them my power and might. Then they will know that my name is [the LORD / Yahwah].

    Jeremiah 23:25
    “I have heard what the prophets say who prophesy lies in my name. They say, ‘I had a dream! I had a dream!’

    Jeremiah 23:27
    They think the dreams they tell one another will make my people forget my name, just as their ancestors forgot my name through Baal worship.

    Jeremiah 25:29
    See, I am beginning to bring disaster on the city that bears my Name, and will you indeed go unpunished? You will not go unpunished, for I am calling down a sword on all who live on the earth, declares [the LORD / Yahwah] Almighty.’

    Jeremiah 27:15
    ‘I have not sent them,’ declares [the LORD / Yahwah]. ‘They are prophesying lies in my name. Therefore, I will banish you and you will perish, both you and the prophets who prophesy to you.’”

    Jeremiah 29:9
    They are prophesying lies to you in my name. I have not sent them,” declares [the LORD / Yahwah].

    Jeremiah 29:21
    This is what [the LORD / Yahwah] Almighty, the God of Israel, says about Ahab son of Kolaiah and Zedekiah son of Maaseiah, who are prophesying lies to you in my name: “I will deliver them into the hands of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, and he will put them to death before your very eyes.

    Jeremiah 29:23
    For they have done outrageous things in Israel; they have committed adultery with their neighbors’ wives, and in my name they have uttered lies—which I did not authorize. I know it and am a witness to it,” declares [the LORD / yahwah].

    Jeremiah 32:34
    They set up their vile images in the house that bears my Name and defiled it.

    Jeremiah 34:15
    Recently you repented and did what is right in my sight: Each of you proclaimed freedom to your own people. You even made a covenant before me in the house that bears my Name.

    Jeremiah 34:16
    But now you have turned around and profaned my name; each of you has taken back the male and female slaves you had set free to go where they wished. You have forced them to become your slaves again.

    Jeremiah 44:26
    But hear the word of [the LORD / Yahwah], all you Jews living in Egypt: ‘I swear by my great name,’ says [the LORD / Yahwah], ‘that no one from Judah living anywhere in Egypt will ever again invoke my name or swear, “As surely as the Sovereign LORD lives.”

    Ezekiel 20:9
    But for the sake of my name, I brought them out of Egypt. I did it to keep my name from being profaned in the eyes of the nations among whom they lived and in whose sight I had revealed myself to the Israelites.

    Ezekiel 20:14
    But for the sake of my name I did what would keep it from being profaned in the eyes of the nations in whose sight I had brought them out.

    Ezekiel 20:22
    But I withheld my hand, and for the sake of my name I did what would keep it from being profaned in the eyes of the nations in whose sight I had brought them out.

    Ezekiel 20:44
    You will know that I am [the LORD / Yahwah], when I deal with you for my name’s sake and not according to your evil ways and your corrupt practices, you people of Israel, declares the Sovereign LORD.’”

    Amos 9:12
    so that they may possess the remnant of Edom and all the nations that bear my name, ” declares [the LORD / Yahwah], who will do these things.

    Zechariah 5:4
    [The LORD / Yahwah] Almighty declares, ‘I will send it out, and it will enter the house of the thief and the house of anyone who swears falsely by my name. It will remain in that house and destroy it completely, both its timbers and its stones.’”

    Zechariah 13:9
    This third I will put into the fire; I will refine them like silver and test them like gold. They will call on my name and I will answer them; I will say, ‘They are my people,’ and they will say, ‘[The LORD / Yahwah] is our God.’”

    Malachi 1:6
    [ Breaking Covenant Through Blemished Sacrifices ] “A son honors his father, and a slave his master. If I am a father, where is the honor due me? If I am a master, where is the respect due me?” says [the LORD / Yahwah] Almighty. “It is you priests who show contempt for my name. “But you ask, ‘How have we shown contempt for your name?’

    Malachi 1:11
    My name will be great among the nations, from where the sun rises to where it sets. In every place incense and pure offerings will be brought to me, because my name will be great among the nations,” says [the LORD / Yahwah] Almighty.

    Malachi 1:14
    “Cursed is the cheat who has an acceptable male in his flock and vows to give it, but then sacrifices a blemished animal to the Lord. For I am a great king,” says [the LORD / Yahwah] Almighty, “and my name is to be feared among the nations.

    Malachi 2:2
    If you do not listen, and if you do not resolve to honor my name,” says [the LORD / Yahwah] Almighty, “I will send a curse on you, and I will curse your blessings. Yes, I have already cursed them, because you have not resolved to honor me.

    Malachi 2:5
    “My covenant was with him, a covenant of life and peace, and I gave them to him; this called for reverence and he revered me and stood in awe of my name.

    Malachi 4:2
    But for you who revere my name, the sun of righteousness will rise with healing in its rays. And you will go out and frolic like well-fed calves.

    John 17:11
    I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name—the name you gave me—so that they may be one as we are one.

    Hebrews 2:12
    He says, “I will declare your name to my brothers; in the presence of the congregation I will sing your praises.”

    Revelation 14:1
    Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written [on / in] their foreheads.

    Revelation 22:4
    They will see his face, and his name will be [on / in] their foreheads.
     
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    Jeremiah 23:27
    They think the dreams they tell one another will make my people forget my name, just as their ancestors forgot my name through Baal worship.


    Malachi 1:6
    “A son honors his father, and a slave his master. If I am a father, where is the honor due me? If I am a master, where is the respect due me?” says Yahwah Almighty. “It is you priests who show contempt for my name.
     
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    Praise, Exalt, and Proclaim His Name


    Exodus 34:5

    Then Yahwah came down in the cloud and stood there with him and proclaimed his name, Yahwah.


    1 Chronicles 16:8

    Give praise to Yahwah, proclaim his name; make known among the nations what he has done.


    Psalm 34:3

    Glorify Yahwah with me; let us exalt his name together.


    Psalm 68:4

    Sing to God, sing in praise of his name, extol him who rides on the clouds; rejoice before him—his name is Yahwah.


    Psalm 96:2

    Sing to Yahwah, praise his name; proclaim his salvation day after day.


    Psalm 105:1

    Give praise to Yahwah, proclaim his name; make known among the nations what he has done.


    Psalm 148:13

    Let them praise the name of Yahwah, for his name alone is exalted; his splendor is above the earth and the heavens.


    Isaiah 12:4

    In that day you will say: “Give praise to Yahwah, proclaim his name; make known among the nations what he has done, and proclaim that his name is exalted.


    Isaiah 47:4

    Our Redeemer—Yahwah of Host is his name— is the Holy One of Israel.


    Isaiah 52:6

    Therefore my people will know my name; therefore in that day they will know that it is I who foretold it. Yes, it is I.”



    Malachi 2:2

    If you do not listen, and if you do not resolve to honor my name,” says Yahwah of Host, “I will send a curse on you, and I will curse your blessings. Yes, I have already cursed them, because you have not resolved to honor me.



    Last Days.

    Zechariah 13:9

    This third I will put into the fire; I will refine them like silver and test them like gold. They will call on my name and I will answer them; I will say, ‘They are my people,’ and they will say, ‘Yahwah is our God.’”
     
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    I come in the name of Yahwah.


    Psalm 118:26

    Blessed is he who comes in the name of (the Lord / Yahwah.) From the house of (the Lord / Yahwah) we bless you.


    Matthew 23:39

    For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of (the Lord / Yahwah.)’”


    Luke 13:35

    Look, your house is left to you desolate. I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of (the Lord / Yahwah.)’”
     
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    Samuel (name of God).

    That's what it means.

    "Yahweh" refers to the true God, just as the title "the Compassionate", but the way you actually connect to that true God, is people like Elyas/Elijah which means "my God is Yahweh".

    Sameul is not who "Yahweh" symbolizes and refers to, but he is the means by which you refer to God and to Yahweh, he is the word of God brought to life, the Image of God that manifests his beauty, a perfect word of God, a beautiful name of God, and instances of the spirit of God by which to connect to God, he is an instance of the holy spirit.

    The name of God that gives light to all things is always found in families God has permitted to be risen and his named remembered therein, the families of the reminders.

    Men who are the beautiful names of God, who nothing deters them from remembrance of God and the remembrance of God.

    Now do you wish to see this concept in the Torah/Bible or Quran?

    I see it clearly laid out in both.
     
    Last edited: Mar 22, 2018
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