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[LittleNipper]

What makes you think there are no churches in Reno? Do you think that because prostitution is legal that everyone who lives here is a heathen?

I suggest you investigate the history of Nevada’s brothels. Then compare that history to the rest of the country. Come back and tell me how many cases of AIDS have been contracted in a legal Nevada brothel.

Typical fundamentalist mindset. Pretend something doesn’t exist, and it goes away. Bury your head in the sand; problem solved. “Prostitution is illegal here. Therefore, we don’t have any prostitutes.”

Hey, conservative Christians never seek the services of a lady. Just ask Jimmy Swaggart.

Jimmy Swaggart will tell you he was foolish. I don't pretend anything doesn't exist. I don't pretend that the FLOOD didn't happen either or that Homosexuality does not displease GOD, or that simply because I use condoms when I hang with the women, that everything is blessed of the LORD and the State (whomever you feel is more powerful). Gambling, drugs and prostitution are going to destroy families-----they already have ---- even during the 1950's, but people were not proud of those accomplishments, as they are today. I will not go to Reno. I feel sorry for those who think that Reno is the only place to live or that life is but a show full of bumps and grinds.

I would not want my son to visit a harlot nor my daughter to become one; however, most learn by example. If all the examples around them suck, well the likelyhood is that so will they. Unfortunately, most make the big mistakes before they come to realizing they made them. I might also note that statistically, it has been found that most become Christians as children and that very few turn to Christ on their death beds. So if you choose to live like a heathen in a community of heathens, the likelyhood is that your children will be non the better. Of course the ACLU is not going to attack the decadence of Reno, but let little Johnny bring his BIBLE the school to read to his friends at lunch, and they will tell him right where he can stick it.

 

[nvxplorer]

Jimmy Swaggart will tell you he was foolish. I don't pretend anything doesn't exist. I don't pretend that the FLOOD didn't happen either or that Homosexuality does not displease GOD, or that simply because I use condoms when I hang with the women, that everything is blessed of the LORD and the State (whomever you feel is more powerful). Gambling, drugs and prostitution are going to destroy families-----they already have ---- even during the 1950's, but people were not proud of those accomplishments, as they are today. I will not go to Reno. I feel sorry for those who think that Reno is the only place to live or that life is but a show full of bumps and grinds.

I would not want my son to visit a harlot nor my daughter to become one; however, most learn by example. If all the examples around them suck, well the likelyhood is that so will they. Unfortunately, most make the big mistakes before they come to realizing they made them. I might also note that statistically, it has been found that most become Christians as children and that very few turn to Christ on their death beds. So if you choose to live like a heathen in a community of heathens, the likelyhood is that your children will be non the better. Of course the ACLU is not going to attack the decadence of Reno, but let little Johnny bring his BIBLE the school to read to his friends at lunch, and they will tell him right where he can stick it.

Newsflash: You cannot escape prostitution. It is a fact of life. Go ahead, bury your head a little deeper, Nip.

Do you think there are no prostitutes in God fearing Texas? No gambling in the Bible Belt?

Keep your fantasies, Nip. They fit you well.

 

[LittleNipper]

Do you think you’re the only old fart in the forum, Nip? I grew up the same way. (Uh...how could a child become jaded? ) My father was a blatant bigot. I learned from my father’s mistakes.

I’ve also learned that people who refer to “the good ol’ days” are those who have refused to grow. Those who can’t come to terms with allowing others the freedom they themselves crave. Do you feel powerless, Nip?

Do you know why it takes two incomes to support a family now, Nip? I’ll give you a hint. It has nothing to do with atheism.

Did your father go to Sunday School and church then and take you? Did he witness to others of the Gospel of Christ? You see, just because Christianity had a marked influence in the 1950's, doesn't mean that everyone was actually a Christian or that there were not other influences. It doesn't take 2 incomes to support a family, it takes modest living in a decadent society. If you WANT 2 cars, a wide screen TV, a radio in every room, a tatoo on each arm, 4 earrings in each ear, all the latest CDs, a phone to carry around in your pocket and a birthday bash for every child every year, etc., etc., etc., you need a 2 income family. DECADENCE... Most people in the 1950's were content if they could go to the shore for a week or two every other year... Who is content not doing something every evening, today! Would you be happy owning just one suit and a sport coat? Would your wife be happy with only 2 coats? Would your wife iron all your shirts and when a collar began to look a bit worn, take the collar off and turn it inside out? Would your wife make all the desserts? This is how people got by in the 1950's. And this is why it doesn't work now.

 

[Pete Harcoff]

but let little Johnny bring his BIBLE the school to read to his friends at lunch, and they will tell him right where he can stick it.

Um, it's perfectly legal for little Johnny to bring his Bible to school and read to his friends at lunch. I'd love to hear of one case where such a thing were brought to court.

 

[LittleNipper]

Um, it's perfectly legal for little Johnny to bring his Bible to school and read to his friends at lunch. I'd love to hear of one case where such a thing were brought to court.

It just happened in Louisiana. A child was told to leave his Bible at home.

 

[Pete Harcoff]

It just happened in Louisiana. A child was told to leave his Bible at home.

Got something to support this?

 

[nvxplorer]

Did your father go to Sunday School and church then and take you?

I went to Sunday school five days a week. Church every Sunday. Church during the week.

Did he witness to others of the Gospel of Christ?

Nope. He witnessed the Gospel of the Bottle.

You see, just because Christianity had a marked influence in the 1950's, doesn't mean that everyone was actually a Christian or that there were not other influences.

You mistake American culture for Christianity. While the two have always been linked, a country’s culture is a reflection of many factors. There were as many Christian’s in the ’20s as there were in the ’50s. The decades were quite dissimilar. If you want clues to the culture of the times, look to economics. Look to war.

It doesn't take 2 incomes to support a family, it takes modest living in a decadent society. If you WANT 2 cars, a wide screen TV, a radio in every room, a tatoo on each arm, 4 earrings in each ear, all the latest CDs, a phone to carry around in your pocket and a birthday bash for every child every year, etc., etc., etc., you need a 2 income family. DECADENCE... Most people in the 1950's were content if they could go to the shore for a week or two every other year... Who is content not doing something every evening, today! Would you be happy owning just one suit and a sport coat? Would your wife be happy with only 2 coats? Would your wife iron all your shirts and when a collar began to look a bit worn, take the collar off and turn it inside out? Would your wife make all the desserts? This is how people got by in the 1950's. And this is why it doesn't work now.

There is some truth to this, but you are mistaken if you think any family can get by on one income. With the decline of organized labor, a college degree is required for any decent paying job. Back in the ’50s and ’60s, a man could go to work in a factory or warehouse and make enough to support his family. Those days are long gone. On top of that, economic growth produces a vicious cycle of rising property values, necessitating rising income, which raises property value further. The economic forces that control the country would never allow a return to those days. As long as women can give eight hours to the corporate interest, they will be required to do so in order to survive.

I agree that greed has gripped the nation. If you remember correctly, the era of greed began in the ’80s. Who was it that said greed is good? Oh yeah, Ronald Reagan. Not exactly your liberal atheist, that Reagan.

 

[llDayo]

Of course the ACLU is not going to attack the decadence of Reno, but let little Johnny bring his BIBLE the school to read to his friends at lunch, and they will tell him right where he can stick it.

I'm guessing you skipped my post citing an example similar to what you just posted: http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=18757386#post18757386

And if little Johnny was told to leave his Bible at home most likely a chapter of the ACLU would step in to support HIM, not the school administration. Without hearing the details of this supposedly happening just recently I couldn't tell you for sure.

 

[numberprophet]

I might also note that statistically, it has been found that most become Christians as children and that very few turn to Christ on their death beds.

This makes sense, as children more readily believe the irrational.

let little Johnny bring his BIBLE the school to read to his friends at lunch, and they will tell him right where he can stick it.

Damn right! I don't want Johnny filling MY kid's head with that stuff.

 

[LittleNipper]

Got something to support this?

Actually, I saw the child and hear his mother on a Coral Ridge Ministries special; however, you may see what I mean on http://www.aclj.org/Issues/InDepth.aspx?ID=20

 

[Pete Harcoff]

Actually, I saw the child and hear his mother on a Coral Ridge Ministries special; however, you may see what I mean on http://www.aclj.org/Issues/InDepth.aspx?ID=20

I didn't see anything on that site that pertains to what you were talking about. However, pretty much everything on that site discusses how it's perfectly legal for students to bring Bibles to school, form Bible clubs, etc. And this is coming from the Supreme Court. So I don't really know what you were complaining about earlier.

 

[nvxplorer]

Actually, I saw the child and hear his mother on a Coral Ridge Ministries special; however, you may see what I mean on http://www.aclj.org/Issues/InDepth.aspx?ID=20

Coral Ridge Ministries is a media outlet. They seem to be nothing but a propaganda mill. It’s not surprising that they spend much energy attacking the ACLU as a satanic anti-Christian organization. Zero credibility, Nip.

 

[AdamAnderson21]

Aggie: "I’d say that’s what I used to be. I was a creationist until I was about 13 years old, at which point I learned enough about science to decide that evolution was a more likely explanation for life’s current diversity."

Hydra: "Because thinking creationists don't stay creationists for very long."

lmao

 

[llDayo]

Coral Ridge Ministries is a media outlet. They seem to be nothing but a propaganda mill. It’s not surprising that they spend much energy attacking the ACLU as a satanic anti-Christian organization. Zero credibility, Nip.

What IS surprising is that the ACLU once defended the ACLJ before in court. (Third or fourth paragraph down)

 

[Pete Harcoff]

What IS surprising is that the ACLU once defended the ACLJ before in court. (Third or fourth paragraph down)

Ha! That is hilarious!

After his American Center for Law and Justice won the Lamb's Chapel case before the Supreme Court, Robertson went on national TV on his own show, the 700 Club, and declared this a great victory over the ACLU. The problem? The ACLU was on the same side in that case.

Just shows you what kind of paranoid thinking some of these people engage in.

 

[nvxplorer]

Ha! That is hilarious!

After his American Center for Law and Justice won the Lamb's Chapel case before the Supreme Court, Robertson went on national TV on his own show, the 700 Club, and declared this a great victory over the ACLU. The problem? The ACLU was on the same side in that case.

Just shows you what kind of paranoid thinking some of these people engage in.

I have no doubt in my mind that Robertson knew exactly what he was doing. He had to know who his representation was. The man is not immune from twisting the truth, and I’m sure he had no problem lying to his audience to further his anti-ACLU agenda.

 

[Tomk80]

It just happened in Louisiana. A child was told to leave his Bible at home.

Go to the ACLU with that. They will support you in a case against the school. The ACLU has done that before.

 

[LittleNipper]

Coral Ridge Ministries is a media outlet. They seem to be nothing but a propaganda mill. It’s not surprising that they spend much energy attacking the ACLU as a satanic anti-Christian organization. Zero credibility, Nip.

If a ministry of GOD is not credible, why should I believe ANYTHING. The history of the ACLU is there for the world to see. One either agrees with their tactics or one does not. One either agrees with their position or one does not. The very foundational thing that I disagree with the ACLU on is that power belongs in the hands of the people, and that the MOST important civic area of social awareness lies within the community. The Federal governments job is to defend the states and deal with problems between states. The states are suppose to govern themselves. The ACLU tactic is to control the states and and communities from the Federal level. The ACLU has eroded states and community rights by influencing the movement of power from the elected officials into the hands of the judicial branch of government. The Federal Government applies power by collecting taxes from individuals, and then awarding portions to states that agree to follow the rules, ideals, dictation, sponcered & promoted by the Federal bureaucracy. The judiciary is not elected by the common people and therefore need not answer to them for restrictive decisions. The ACLU has helped to undermine the ability of citizens to establish communities and run them as they feel led. The individual could influence his community; however, the individual has absolutely no power against a bureaucratic machine. The ACLU wants it to remain that way, because they want to keep power of opinion in their pocket.

 

[TheBigAl]

If a ministry of GOD is not credible, why should I believe ANYTHING. The history of the ACLU is there for the world to see. One either agrees with their tactics or one does not. One either agrees with their position or one does not. The very foundational thing that I disagree with the ACLU on is that power belongs in the hands of the people, and that the MOST important civic area of social awareness lies within the community. The Federal governments job is to defend the states and deal with problems between states. The states are suppose to govern themselves. The ACLU tactic is to control the states and and communities from the Federal level. The ACLU has eroded states and community rights by influencing the movement of power from the elected officials into the hands of the judicial branch of government. The Federal Government applies power by collecting taxes from individuals, and then awarding portions to states that agree to follow the rules, ideals, dictation, sponcered & promoted by the Federal bureaucracy. The judiciary is not elected by the common people and therefore need not answer to them for restrictive decisions. The ACLU has helped to undermine the ability of citizens to establish communities and run them as they feel led. The individual could influence his community; however, the individual has absolutely no power against a bureaucratic machine. The ACLU wants it to remain that way, because they want to keep power of opinion in their pocket.

Got any evidence for this, or, like everything else, did you just made it up?

 

[nvxplorer]

If a ministry of GOD is not credible, why should I believe ANYTHING.

Just because an organization claims to be “of God,” you blindly believe everything it says? C’mon, Nip. I know you’re not that naive. Like I said, CRM is not a real ministry. It is a media outlet. Its purpose is to spread propaganda. If you can’t see that, I can’t help you.

The history of the ACLU is there for the world to see.

Yet you seem to only see the cases which support your persecution complex.

One either agrees with their tactics or one does not.

You consider defending the Bill of Rights to be a tactic? I consider it to be the American way. The patriotic thing to do.

One either agrees with their position or one does not.

Yes, I agree with the Bill of Rights.

The very foundational thing that I disagree with the ACLU on is that power belongs in the hands of the people, and that the MOST important civic area of social awareness lies within the community. The Federal governments job is to defend the states and deal with problems between states. The states are suppose to govern themselves. The ACLU tactic is to control the states and and communities from the Federal level. The ACLU has eroded states and community rights by influencing the movement of power from the elected officials into the hands of the judicial branch of government.

You are a victim of propaganda, Nip. Nothing you have written here is true. No person or government - local, state or federal - can violate the Constitution. The ACLU defends the Constitution, Nip. What do you think the “CL” stands for? Are you opposed to civil liberty? Do you favor dictatorship?

The Federal Government applies power by collecting taxes from individuals, and then awarding portions to states that agree to follow the rules, ideals, dictation, sponcered & promoted by the Federal bureaucracy.

I’m on your side here, Nip. I despise the carrot & stick approach taken by the federal government in imposing its will on the states. What this has to do with the ACLU is beyond me, though.

The judiciary is not elected by the common people and therefore need not answer to them for restrictive decisions.

Point? This is a wise system, Nip. Unelected judges are beholden to the Constitution, as they should be. Elected officials are beholden to special interest dollars. If you had a case against a large, corporate campaign donor, would you trust the judge to be impartial?

The ACLU has helped to undermine the ability of citizens to establish communities and run them as they feel led. The individual could influence his community; however, the individual has absolutely no power against a bureaucratic machine. The ACLU wants it to remain that way, because they want to keep power of opinion in their pocket.

This is just bull, Nip. No one has the right to violate the Constitution. I don’t care if 99.9% of the community agree. The ACLU protects the rights of the individual. You are mistaken on the purpose of the ACLU. You ignore all the cases where the ACLU has defended the free practice clause. You only see the cases where the ACLU defended the separation clause. If you want to live in a theocracy, you’ll have to leave the US. Oh, by the way, the cases are decided by the court, not the ACLU.