Mueller Files First Charges

[redleghunter]

I'm thinking Flynn.

Possible. If so it's something we don't know about. What was made public on his Russian "connections" amounts to doing his job.

 

[redleghunter]

Or their families. I know Mueller used this tactic successfully against Enron execs, and he had been reported to be investigating Flynn's son and at least asking for information from Manafort's son-in-law.

But in any case this seems to explain the reason for all the Russian bots talking up Clinton's involvement in the Steele dossier. Distract, distract, distract...

It's the Manafort connection to Podesta group which is the focus of the Mueller IC.

Manafort as a beltway bandit plays in several sandboxes.

Or did you think Manafort was just a GOP campaign strategist of some kind.

He's a lobbyist .

 

[withwonderingawe]

It's the Manafort connection to Podesta group which is the focus of the Mueller IC.

Manafort as a beltway bandit plays in several sandboxes.

Or did you think Manafort was just a GOP campaign strategist of some kind.

He's a lobbyist .

I was about to say the same thing.

1, This is coming from more anonymous CNN sources, so...... who knows if it is true.
2, Mueller had to do something since he's being pulled into the uranium investigation, he was head of the FBI at the time and knew about the bribes and kick backs.
3, Even the Wall Street Journal was asking him to step down, this insures he stays.
4, If it's Manafort he was more involved with the Podesta group than he ever was with Trump. I bet it has to do with him acting as a lobbyist without registering.

 

[camille70]

Possible. If so it's something we don't know about. What was made public on his Russian "connections" amounts to doing his job.

That was just based on speculation in conjunction with Dana Boente resigning. Maddow had a guest last night who reported he had just said he was looking forward to going back to his old job in VA then he up and resigns. He was supposed to have been present for some incidents with Flynn and may be a witness.

It's the Manafort connection to Podesta group which is the focus of the Mueller IC.

Manafort as a beltway bandit plays in several sandboxes.

Or did you think Manafort was just a GOP campaign strategist of some kind.

He's a lobbyist .

Would they have to seal an indictment for Manafort? He was already warned to expect to be indicted.

 

[withwonderingawe]

Just wondering if this might be the point of this indictment, it's from Politico dated 04/12/2017

Lobbying powerhouse the Podesta Group filed paperwork with the Justice Department today acknowledging that its work years ago for a European nonprofit benefited the same Ukrainian political party once advised by Paul Manafort, who later ran Donald Trump’s presidential campaign.

The filings, obtained by POLITICO, appear to clean up the firm’s requirement to disclose its role in foreign lobbying that Manafort reportedly orchestrated. The Podesta Group said it believed its client was an unaffiliated European think tank. But the new paperwork suggests the Justice Department has information tying the think tank to the pro-Russian Ukrainian Party of Regions — a possible source of continuing legal trouble for Manafort, because he never disclosed his own role in the lobbying campaign......
“The work in question was widely known, concluded before Mr. Manafort began working with the Trump campaign and was not conducted on behalf of the Russian government,” Maloni said.

Manafort’s work in Ukraine played a role in his ouster last August from Trump’s campaign. At the time, The Associated Press reported that Manafort, working for pro-Russian Ukrainian politician Viktor Yanukovych, secretly supervised the lobbying campaign funneled through a Brussels think tank....


//www.politico.com/story/2017/04/paul-manafort-lobbying-ukraine-podesta-group-237163

 

[withwonderingawe]

From Britebart

GOP establishment billionaire Paul Singer, the top funder of theWashington Free Beacon, has a long history of support for the GOP establishment over economic nationalists and conservatives–including backing open borders, pro-amnesty efforts.

Anti-Trump Dossier Original Funder Paul Singer an Open Borders Establishment Republican Billionaire - Breitbart

 

[PeachyKeane]

I wonder why Obama...I mean 'the Grand Jury' didn't just release the indictment yesterday. Maybe to see who runs for the airport?






...I don't know why I said Obama. Sorry.

 

[KCfromNC]

It's the Manafort connection to Podesta group which is the focus of the Mueller IC.

Citation needed.

 

[KCfromNC]

I was about to say the same thing.

1, This is coming from more anonymous CNN sources, so...... who knows if it is true.

Clinton's connection to the Steele document came from anonymous sources as well, but for some reason all the threads playing that up forgot to mention the fact. Weird how it is vitally important here, though.

2, Mueller had to do something since he's being pulled into the uranium investigation

Citation needed

4, If it's Manafort he was more involved with the Podesta group than he ever was with Trump. I bet it has to do with him acting as a lobbyist without registering.

He was chairman of Trump's campaign. He was one of the guys to meet with Russians trying to get dirt on Clinton. Seems pretty involved to me.

 

[withwonderingawe]

Allen Dershowits is still asking where's the crime on both sides? He says unless it can be shown that someone actual hired the Russians to hack Hillary's emails it's not against the law to gather information.

 

[withwonderingawe]

Clinton's connection to the Steele document came from anonymous sources as well, but for some reason all the threads playing that up forgot to mention the fact. Weird how it is vitally important here, though.



Citation needed



He was chairman of Trump's campaign. He was one of the guys to meet with Russians trying to get dirt on Clinton. Seems pretty involved to me.

There is a source talking to Tucker who worked in Podestas office who says Manafort was in and out of there all the time working on Russia stuff. He said there was a lot going on with the Clinton Foundation. This person has been interviewed by Mueller. It really is hard to tell who is lying and who isnt.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Allen Dershowits is still asking where's the crime on both sides? He says unless it can be shown that someone actual hired the Russians to hack Hillary's emails it's not against the law to gather information.

Flynn and Manafort both failed to register as foreign agents. Flynn, as a retired military officer, was prohibited from working on behalf of foreign governments at all without prior permission. Manafort has also been under investigation for money laundering.

 

[Allandavid]

Allen Dershowits is still asking where's the crime on both sides? He says unless it can be shown that someone actual hired the Russians to hack Hillary's emails it's not against the law to gather information.

I have a feeling that you and Alan will have answers before much longer....

 

[withwonderingawe]

There is an FBI under cover source who was working with the Russians as they bribed their way into buying the uranium company. He is going to be talking to congress soon. His lawyer says Mueller was the head the FBI when all this went down and knew about the bribes and kickbacks yet let the deal go threw. Did he tell Hillary and the committee who approved the sale or did he hold the information back? Was he bribed or did he tell them and it was pushed through anyway. Bill Clinton got $500,000 in speaking fees plus millions and millions donated to his foundation from the Russians. What's the timing, did Manafort and Pedesta have something to do with it?

 

[withwonderingawe]

I have a feeling that you and Alan will have answers before much longer....

Gee I hope so, someone is going to write a good book about this.

 

[KCfromNC]

Allen Dershowits is still asking where's the crime on both sides? He says unless it can be shown that someone actual hired the Russians to hack Hillary's emails it's not against the law to gather information.

Why not wait until the details of what happened between Trump's team an Russia before saying there's no crime? What's the rush?

 

[KCfromNC]

There is a source talking to Tucker

More anonymous sources, "so...... who knows if it is true."

 

[KCfromNC]

There is an FBI under cover source who was working with the Russians as they bribed their way into buying the uranium company. He is going to be talking to congress soon. His lawyer says Mueller was the head the FBI when all this went down and knew about the bribes and kickbacks yet let the deal go threw. Did he tell Hillary and the committee who approved the sale or did he hold the information back? Was he bribed or did he tell them and it was pushed through anyway. Bill Clinton got $500,000 in speaking fees plus millions and millions donated to his foundation from the Russians. What's the timing, did Manafort and Pedesta have something to do with it?

These sorts of talking points would be a bit more convincing if you actually replied to the questions and corrections people post about them. Simply spamming alt-right propaganda isn't all that interesting.

 

[PeachyKeane]

There is an FBI under cover source who was working with the Russians as they bribed their way into buying the uranium company. He is going to be talking to congress soon. His lawyer says Mueller was the head the FBI when all this went down and knew about the bribes and kickbacks yet let the deal go threw.

I would love to see a citation for that.

Did he tell Hillary and the committee who approved the sale or did he hold the information back?

I believe nobody did. It was a private sale between a Canadian company and a Russian one. Who normally approves that? HINT: it isn't the American Secretary of State.

Was he bribed or did he tell them and it was pushed through anyway. Bill Clinton got $500,000 in speaking fees plus millions and millions donated to his foundation from the Russians. What's the timing, did Manafort and Pedesta have something to do with it?

Wow. This is such an old story, that leads nowhere. Wonder why it's back.

 

[FreeinChrist]

This could be a reason for the indictment going to Manafort:

Robert Mueller Tightens Paul Manafort’s Noose

The U.S. attorney’s office for the Southern District of New York is working in conjunction with Mueller’s team to determine whether Manafort was involved in a money-laundering scheme, The Wall Street Journal reported Tuesday. Sources familiar with the matter told the Journal that the collaboration began after Mueller tapped Andrew Goldstein, who heads the office’s public corruption unit, to join his high-powered team. Assistant U.S. Attorney Paul Monteleoni, who previously served on the money-laundering and asset-forfeiture unit, is also working on the probe, according to sources that spoke with the outlet. (Although a spokesperson for Manafort did not respond to a request for comment from the Journal, Manafort has denied any wrongdoing.)​

Manafort had $60M relationship with Russian oligarch

Paul Manafort, a former campaign manager for President Donald Trump, has much stronger financial ties to a Russian oligarch than have been previously reported.

An NBC News investigation reveals that $26 million changed hands in the form of a loan between a company linked to Manafort and the oligarch, Oleg Deripaska, a billionaire with close ties to the Kremlin.

The loan brings the total of their known business dealings to around $60 million over the past decade, according to financial documents filed in Cyprus and the Cayman Islands.

Manafort was forced to resign from the Trump campaign in August 2016, following allegations of improper financial dealings, charges he has strenuously denied. He is now a central figure in special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into alleged collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. Investigators have said they are looking into Manafort's financial ties to prominent figures in Russia.
​

Manafort offered to give Russian billionaire ‘private briefings’ on 2016 campaign

provate briefings to a Russian oligarch tied to Putin?