Mr. Perry quote "As a Christian I have a clear directive to support Israel"

[John Stefanyszyn]

Ref.: Will the GOP push for Jewish votes pay off? By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor, Sept 21, 2011

In above article...A quote from Mr. Perry..."As a Christian I have a clear directive to support Israel," Perry said in remarks after his speech on Tuesday. "But that's easy for me. As an American and as a Christian I stand with Israel."

....correction...a TRUE Christian has the clear directive to support and confess that Christ is the One and Only True Way of Life and that He is the Son of The One and Only True God.

.....Israel has rejected Christ.... and Israel states that Christ is not the Son of God

.....Israel has also rejected the True and Only Creator God because they have declared in their constitution and publicly confessed that there is no official religion / God in Israel. Their first love is the "god of fortresses/gods".

Mr. Perry is a hypocrite because his "first love" is not the True Christ but his belief in and the desire to serve his own interests, freedom of self-rights. This is the common belief in his "politically motivated" stand with Israel.

As an "American Christian", Mr. Perry has clearly implied that he is an American first and a "Christian" second.

....however the return of Christ as KING of kings is at hand.

 

[stelow]

Ref.: Will the GOP push for Jewish votes pay off? By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor, Sept 21, 2011

In above article...A quote from Mr. Perry..."As a Christian I have a clear directive to support Israel," Perry said in remarks after his speech on Tuesday. "But that's easy for me. As an American and as a Christian I stand with Israel."

....correction...a TRUE Christian has the clear directive to support and confess that Christ is the One and Only True Way of Life and that He is the Son of The One and Only True God.

.....Israel has rejected Christ.... and Israel states that Christ is not the Son of God

.....Israel has also rejected the True and Only Creator God because they have declared in their constitution and publicly confessed that there is no official religion / God in Israel. They first love is the "god of fortresses/gods".

Mr. Perry is a hypocrite because his "first love" is not the True Christ but his belief in and the desire to serve his own interests, freedom of self-rights. This is the common belief in his "politically motivated" stand with Israel.

As an "American Christian", Mr. Perry has clearly implied that he is an American first and a "Christian" second.

....however the return of Christ as KING of kings is at hand.

So true John, this delusion is so easy to see through; the CNN report is lacking any real integrity, because it doesn't really get to truth behind the motive, but portrays it has a candidate trying to get Jewish votes, which serves as good propaganda for Perry, because if he really stood for Americans, he would not have a chance.

This really has more to do with the powerful AIPAC lobby and the Jewish ran media's control over the elections and its candidates, which only benefits the interests of the Zionist state Israel, while Americans of all races are being sold down the river.

I thank you for exposing this Jewish tyranny, which has taken over, not only America but much of the world, an extreme bias exists and anyone who points it out, a smear campaign will most likely ensue.

 

[Incariol]

Ref.: Will the GOP push for Jewish votes pay off? By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor, Sept 21, 2011

In above article...A quote from Mr. Perry..."As a Christian I have a clear directive to support Israel," Perry said in remarks after his speech on Tuesday. "But that's easy for me. As an American and as a Christian I stand with Israel."

....correction...a TRUE Christian has the clear directive to support and confess that Christ is the One and Only True Way of Life and that He is the Son of The One and Only True God.

.....Israel has rejected Christ.... and Israel states that Christ is not the Son of God

.....Israel has also rejected the True and Only Creator God because they have declared in their constitution and publicly confessed that there is no official religion / God in Israel. They first love is the "god of fortresses/gods".

Mr. Perry is a hypocrite because his "first love" is not the True Christ but his belief in and the desire to serve his own interests, freedom of self-rights. This is the common belief in his "politically motivated" stand with Israel.

As an "American Christian", Mr. Perry has clearly implied that he is an American first and a "Christian" second.

....however the return of Christ as KING of kings is at hand.

God, that's terrifying. The people simply should not stand for this sort of irrationality in political office. We need leaders who will do what is right for the United States, not people who will abuse the power of their offices in order to satisfy their bizarre eschatology.

 

[Harry3142]

Perry's a politician. What did you expect him to say? Did you think that he would support Hamas, Al Qaeda, or any one of a number of muslim sects that believe that the only good Christian is a dead Christian? Wake up and smell the coffee; the only nation in the Middle East that can be truly called an ally of the United States is Israel.

I've also heard this 'song and dance' before of our refusing to support a country that does not share our religious beliefs. But every time I've heard that spiel, it has come from those who also claim that the only true Christians are those who are members of their particular denomination and are totally subservient to their denomination's leaders. So they condemn every other Christian denomination as being equally offensive to God as they claim that the Jews are.

 

[John Stefanyszyn]

Sir,
First of all I am not part of any "denomination"... for many, if not all churches, have embraced another love, that of self-rule, self-rights, and self-interest, before that of Christ....I follow Christ and confess Christ, not as a religion but as the one reality, as the Son of the One and Only Creator God and that Christ is the Only True Way of Life.

Secondly...Christians condemn themselves and are offensive to the True God when they speak of Christ but do not have Him in their heart and do not confess Him as the Only True Way to our Father.

Christ did not compromise the truth on account of the Jewish priests and their claim of worshipping the God of Moses... nor did He defend their self-righteousness....

...Christ stood and confessed the One Truth, was beaten for it , was killed as a criminal for it, and was resurrected for it by Our Father.

He told us that we are to follow in His footsteps if we are true and faithful witnesses of our love for Our Father and our neighbor.

 

[makingchristiandisciples]

I don't care to take sides on this issue for the purpose of taking sides. But the Abrahamic covenant says God will bless those who bless Israel and curse those who curse Israel. That's good enough for me.

 

[John Stefanyszyn]

It is clear in God's word, that the apostles explained that we are to be circumcised in the heart. It also clear that they taught that our faith and love for the One and Only True God and for His Christ would make our hearts into "Israelites", to also receive the Father's seal on our foreheads.

....the promise of God was given to Abraham because of his righteous faith...therefore his "descendants" are also those who live by this righteous faith in the One and Only True Creator God, to whom Christ is our Only Way of Forgiveness and Life.

 

[SonOfTheWest]

American evangelical populism and manipulation of "secular" government is all warm and fuzzy.

 

[riverrat]

makingchristiandisciples wrote:

I

srael I don't care to take sides on this issue for the purpose of taking sides. But the Abrahamic covenant says God will bless those who bless Israel and curse those who curse Israel. That's good enough for me.

Me too!

 

[stelow]

Galatians 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

Gill's Exposition of Galatians 3:7

Know ye therefore,.... Or "ye know"; this is a thing known by you, at least may, or should be; it ought not to be contradicted or disputed, it is so plain a case, and so clear a point:
that they which are of faith; of the faith of Abraham, as in Romans 4:16 have the same faith as he had, for nature and kind; though it may not be to the same degree, yet exercised on the same object, Jehovah the Word, the Lord our righteousness, and wrought by the same Spirit; or who are of the faith of Christ, believers in him with all their hearts, and for themselves; who look to him for righteousness and life, who seek for justification by his righteousness, and trust in him alone for it, and not in the works of the law: the same are the children of Abraham; his spiritual seed, though they may not be his natural offspring; for he is the father of all that believe, whether of the circumcision or the uncircumcision, and of none else in a spiritual sense: in this the apostle strikes at the false teachers, who boasted of their being the seed of Abraham, his natural descendants, which they might be, and yet not his spiritual children; for none are such, but they that are of faith, or seek for righteousness by faith; not they that are of the law, or seek for justification by the works of it, and so not heirs of the blessing; were they, faith would be made void, and the promise of none effect, Romans 5:14 and his view herein is to prove, that the Gentiles, who believe, are the true seed of Abraham, the children of the promise, those in many nations, he was promised to be the father of; and his further view is to observe, that as the father of the faithful was justified, so are all his children; and that as he was justified by faith, so are they.

Galatians 3:7 Understand, then, that those who believe are children of Abraham.

 

[Harry3142]

I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:

"The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob. And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins."

As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies on your account; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, for God's gifts and his call are irrevocable. Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God's mercy to you. For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all. (Romans 11:25-32,NIV)

We must never forget that we Gentiles are the wild olive branches grafted into the olive tree, rather than the branches that should be there naturally (Romans 11:11-24). It was to the patriarchs that God gave his promises; it is through those patriarchs and their descendants that the promises have come to fruition. To declare the descendants of those people as now our enemies, claiming that we are now God's chosen people, is to contradict, and even violate, Scripture itself.

 

[stelow]

The people God foreknew and loved so much, He could no longer tolerate, because of their unbelief.

Romans 11:32 "For God hath concluded them all in unbelief" All nations, are now offered God's mercy.

The only hope for the restoration of the Jew, is to no longer abide in their unbelief, but instead have faith in God's mercy, which is shown to us by the gift of His Son, Christ Jesus. This is God's plan for this to happen, but it will take place in all nations, Jews will finally embrace the Messiah, and become God's peculiar people, along side the Christians through out the world.

 

[stelow]

Some Christians Zionist history, and how prevalent Zionism is in America.

Christian Zionism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Zionist Organization of America.

 

[andreha]

I don't care to take sides on this issue for the purpose of taking sides. But the Abrahamic covenant says God will bless those who bless Israel and curse those who curse Israel. That's good enough for me.

Amen bro. Last time I checked, God and His word never changes - not in a thousand, or a billion years.

 

[stelow]

I don't care to take sides on this issue for the purpose of taking sides. But the Abrahamic covenant says God will bless those who bless Israel and curse those who curse Israel. That's good enough for me.

Amen bro. Last time I checked, God and His word never changes - not in a thousand, or a billion years.

Matthew 28:19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"

Nope; the Word of God never changes, not in a trillion years.

 

[adam.4922trust]

First ever post: here goes... I recently wrote a dissertation about Christian Zionism reflecting on the work of a theologian called Karl Barth as part of a Jewish-Christian relations course. I can agree if support for Israel becomes viewed or promoted as something which is distinct from the Gospel of Jesus Christ, as has to some extent fairly been suggested above, that we are probably in danger of rejecting the Gospel. But I wondered how you would respond to the question of what it means to call Jesus 'Christ'. What is 'Christ' unless He is the One who belonged to the covenant people, and a covenant people to whom God pledged Himself eternally to (defined himself in relation to) a particular promised land? If the land is not significant, is it possible for Jesus still to be 'Christ' if the 'Christ' is the One anointed by God to redeem Israel in accordance with the promises through which God announced Himself eternally? This is obviously some way from saying Christians need endorse all political decisions of the State of Israel (I am not sure whether doing so would be to bless the Jewish People re: Genesis 12:3), but are we not denying the Gospel with the same breath with which we proclaim it before the Jewish people (and therefore before everyone) if we deny Jesus' role and God's hand in the return of Jews to the land in accordance with the words of the Prophets which Jesus quoted e.g. Luke 4:18-19; Isaiah 61. Does this not mean therefore supporting, at least, the continued presence of the Jewish State and sharing concern for its continued existence and security, as a facet of faith inseparable from and fundamental to the Gospel itself?

Are we not able to affirm that the Jewish people remain eternally and irrevocably "loved on account of the patriarchs" (Rom 11:28ff)?

I am trying to articulate a lot in space that doesn't really permit, but will be very interested in what others think.

 

[Randomfeats]

Gen 12:1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
Gen 12:2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
Gen 12:3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

We are not commanded either way, but it seems logical to believe that if we bless Israel we in turn will be blessed, same with cursing.

Now if we look to Galatians 3:16-18

Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
Gal 3:18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

This shows that God's covenant in the old testament cannot disannul, so if we don't support Israel can one surmise that we are not supporting God's covenant with the Jews and if we support the Palestinians instead are we then going against God's will?.

Matthew 28:19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"

Nope; the Word of God never changes, not in a trillion years.

Yes, the Word of God never changes indeed and we should make every attempt to teach the Jewish people, however we have to be mindful of some things.


Rom 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Rom 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

and earlier in the chapter

Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
Rom 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Rom 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
Rom 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear; ) unto this day.

So, they are blind due to that spirit of slumber, but, because of their unbelief, we are able to be saved. Taking that spirit of slumber into account though are we able to say the Jewish people are destined to fall? Biblically speaking, definately not.

Also as harry quoted in part from Isaiah 59, if you read verses 19-21 it says that when Israels enemies, which currently are the Palestinians, come in like a flood" God will be against them, and I for one don't want to be against him when that happens.

Luk 11:23 He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth.

 

[John Stefanyszyn]

I would like to point out some important final words from the One and Only God as described by Christ in Revelations.

In Revelation 14, Christ, as the Lamb, is once again shown to be standing on the earth, but this time as King of kings on Mount Zion and with Him the 144,000 elect. Christ proceeds to describe and identify the 7 iinclusive qualities of the elect. These qualities are:
1. They have the seal of Our Father on their heads.
2. They have not been defiled with other women....did not embrace another belief/way of life.
3. They are virgins. They were true to Christ .
4. They follow the Lamb wherever He may go. They follow His Way and Only His Way.
5. They were purchased from among men as first fruits to God and to the Lamb.
6. There was no guile found in their mouth. They did not speak any deceit.
7. They are blameless before the throne of God....forgiveness and salvation Only through Christ....they overcame the mark of the beast on their hands or foreheads.
As you can see, there is no mention of physical Jews or physical Israel.
Abraham was righteous before the One and Only God. It was this righteousness that defined Abraham and it is this righteousness through Christ that defines his descendants....spiritual Israel....spiritual tribes of Israel.
Physical Israel rejected the True God and His Son the Christ.
Christ said that Israel - the Jews would enter the kingdom only if they acknowledged and confessed Him as the Christ and the Son of the True God.
Presently, the Jews (modern day Israel) confess that there is no One True God in Israel. They confess instead a belief / god that says that all "religions/gods" are of equal validity. This belief also says that Christ and the Creator God are a "religion amongst religions" to be worshipped as per one's personal choice of faith.

 

[bbbbbbb]

I would like to point out some important final words from the One and Only God as described by Christ in Revelations.

In Revelation 14, Christ, as the Lamb, is once again shown to be standing on the earth, but this time as King of kings on Mount Zion and with Him the 144,000 elect. Christ proceeds to describe and identify the 7 iinclusive qualities of the elect. These qualities are:
1. They have the seal of Our Father on their heads.
2. They have not been defiled with other women....did not embrace another belief/way of life.
3. They are virgins. They were true to Christ .
4. They follow the Lamb wherever He may go. They follow His Way and Only His Way.
5. They were purchased from among men as first fruits to God and to the Lamb.
6. There was no guile found in their mouth. They did not speak any deceit.
7. They are blameless before the throne of God....forgiveness and salvation Only through Christ....they overcame the mark of the beast on their hands or foreheads.
As you can see, there is no mention of physical Jews or physical Israel.
Abraham was righteous before the One and Only God. It was this righteousness that defined Abraham and it is this righteousness through Christ that defines his descendants....spiritual Israel....spiritual tribes of Israel.
Physical Israel rejected the True God and His Son the Christ.
Christ said that Israel - the Jews would enter the kingdom only if they acknowledged and confessed Him as the Christ and the Son of the True God.
Presently, the Jews (modern day Israel) confess that there is no One True God in Israel. They confess instead a belief / god that says that all "religions/gods" are of equal validity. This belief also says that Christ and the Creator God are a "religion amongst religions" to be worshipped as per one's personal choice of faith.

Your lack of knowledge concerning Judaism is really quite amazing. Orthodox Judaism remains steadfastly monotheistic and they are in control of governmental affairs in Israel. They firmly believe that God, the LORD, is God in Israel. They enforce as many aspects of the Law as possible short of having the Temple. Sabbath regulations are in force each Saturday.

They firmly reject Christianity along with other faiths, including Islam.

 

[John Stefanyszyn]

Sir,
You say that they control government affairs, therefore they also support their government that has publicly confessed (i.e. Mr. Oren) that there is no official religion in Israel.
They must also then support the constitution of Israel which stipulates that there is no official religion in Israel.
In so doing, they and the government of Israel have also labeled Orthodox Judaism to be a religion on equal parity with any other religion.
It is clear that their first love is the belief in freedom of rights and religion and that God is second.

They claim inheritance of the land of Israel because of God's Word, and yet they publicly deny the God who they say promised it to them.

...they also deny and reject Christ as being the Son of God.
...in so doing, they also deny and reject the sacrifice of Christ as the only way of forgiveness for sins.