Do you think it's possible that the life you have created for yourself (hardcore/punk) is negatively coloring your worldview? I am very curious about it and what drives people to that scene.
I think what drives us there is a sense of skepticism from a young age concerning the values of the world we are in.
Most people go to punk/hardcore because they dislike the trends of their peers and find the mainstream music and culture to be un-exciting and generally stupid.
A lot of people in the scene do not value money or beauty in the conventional sense but rather you will find the average person is generally artistic and/or intellectual, has some interesting takes on society and often times does not come from some upper crust background (thsi drives some to our scene -- in their poverty the most open arms they found was us).
In a sense I will go so far as to say that we are sometimes overly critical of the norm.
I think my world view is quite different because of my experiences in the scene, and I think a lot of the things within the scene can become magnified and made more extreme just by the sort of people who embrace them.
Braun, that was a good and thought provoking question that if I were to fully answer would require us to talk about it nearly as much as we speak of homosexuality.
It takes a certain amount of hard introspection and honesty to realize something like this about oneself. I commend you for being able to do it, and I wish you much luck in your efforts to change.
Much appreciated -- I am glad that we can look past any divisive lines that we my have ideologically and feel a good connection on this point.
BTW I consider those who have to cut out all booze, sex, drugs and chocolate to in their own way to be just as much controlled by them as those who over indulge. Unless of course they don't like any of them.
That makes sense in a lot of situations as they now so rigidly define themselves as not using them.
However, there are some people who just dislike the taste of it and have no desire to consume it and others who perhaps admit that they were once slaves to the substance...
And now in realizing what it did to themselves they are now slaves to sobriety.
Drugs can and do facilitate worthwhile activities and educational, social experiences by altering ways of thinking and engaging with other people.
I agree that to some extent alcohol can play the muse of myself though I think other drugs often disorientate people so much it can be damaging.
Very occasional use could be creative, I would say, but the risks associated with becoming addicted or overdosing seem rather dangerous to me.
Well, personally I don´t even think that drug addiction and sex can be equated, and that´s what you did. In my understanding music and sex are closer than addictive drugs and sex.
If you have a problem with addictionI can certainly relate. People can be addicted to a lot of things (while there are substances that have an addictive potential regardless of the person and the circumstances).
However "loose" sex certainly isn´t necessarily an addiction any more than sex in a committed relationship is.
Well, you are right, to a good extent but I do know that some people who have ruined their social lives because of their reckless pursuit of sex. In some ways so irreparably.
A lot of women may stand by a man who is a drug addict and trying to change -- but what about a frequenter of prostitutes or someone who has chronic affairs?
This can ruin lives in some ways even more than drug addiction.
Firstly, I don´t think of drug addiction as a moral issue but rather as a disease.
Could you call drug use a moral problem as it possibly provokes this destructive disease?
Secondly, the posts you have responded to referred to the "loose sex" part of your argument, not to the drug addiction part.
I think it would help your point greatly if you could demonstrate or substantiate that "loose sex" is inherently addictive or has an increased addictive potential (e.g. compared to "committed sex"). Else you are equating two complete incomparable things - which to point out was exactly the parodistic point of the music/family responses.
I will say that I do not know enough about it to speak to what level it is addictive; perhaps to some it is not at all just like some can drink alcohol and not let it take over their lives.
However, I have met many men who have destroyed their marriages and in many senses of the word destroyed their credibility and hurt many people due to their sexual addictions.
