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Ringu...NO!!! I REFUSE TO BE THAT GIRL!!! :p Actually I can't stand the token anything in movies. I guess it kind of rubs me the wrong way. (actually, as of now I'm the laidback chic!)

Right now I'm using Pinnacle, although I don't know what version.
What are you using Pinnacle for?

I know what the Pinnacle Stuio is. I used it for recording footage on my computer from a DV camera. But for editing I use Adobe Premiere and After Effects, plus Photoshop for working on stills.

But it's just the technical side. It's boring.

Scriptwriting and writing in general is interesting. But gosh I know so little about it. I just have ideas, as I said before, but nothing solid, not even a 10 page script... because I can't concentrate on it, and don't have patience for it. Just radnom thoughts and notes. What can I do about it...
 
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Ringu said:
... ( I have) ...nothing solid, not even a 10 page script... because I can't concentrate on it, and don't have patience for it. Just radnom(sic) thoughts and notes. What can I do about it...

Well, write a one page treatment. A back-of- the- box summary (synopsis)
of your movie. Start with that. Post it so we can take a look.

What do you say ?
 
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Do you have a villain ? The more wicked the villain , the better the movie you know...The bad guy makes things happen, moving things forward.
That´s one reason why a low budget flick like Terminator 1 was so successful... the bad guy was practically unstoppable !!!! Think about it.
 
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The Ascetic Crusader said:
Well, write a one page treatment. A back-of- the- box summary (synopsis)
of your movie. Start with that. Post it so we can take a look.

What do you say ?
Good idea, thanks. I will try to do this soon. As soon as I put my own thoughts in some sort of order.
 
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The Ascetic Crusader said:
Do you have a villain ? The more wicked the villain , the better the movie you know...The bad guy makes things happen, moving things forward.
That´s one reason why a low budget flick like Terminator 1 was so successful... the bad guy was practically unstoppable !!!! Think about it.
good point. Never thought of it.
 
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Yeah, that's the only thing missing from my plotline...a villian. I really wanted to have one, but it didn't fit in entirely with the story, since it was an inward struggle with the protaganists and whatnot. I still would like to add one in though, just to lengthen and add a little dimension, but I need to talk it over with my creative team...but over have are out of town this week! *sigh*

I use Pinnacle because a friend gave me the CD when he upgraded, so a) it was free, b) I'm really poor, c)It works for what I need to do right now, d)I'm so stinkin' poor, e)I will find out where you live and steal your editing equipment in the middle of the night because I'm jealous, and f)Jesus doesn't like stealing or jealousy, so that last point doesn't count.

Yea!! Ringu is finally going to give us a taste of what he's been working on!! Bring it on!!!!!

The technical stuff is very not boring, IMHO. :)

Oh yeah, Ringu....just keep writing your random thoughts and notes. It might turn into a movie someday!! ;)
 
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okay, basically my idea... is not original. It's (kind of) based on (or better to say, inspired by) the life of the war pilot and writer Antoine de Saint Exupery. He was a aeropostale (air mail, what now is Air France) pilot before the WW2, and during the WW2 he was a war pilot (surveylance and stuff).
Bacially the idea is to show the war in Europe, particularily war between France and Germany. Show war on the two scales - on the level of a nation (trying to defend the land, evacuation, devastaion) and on the level of one man, who's a war piolt and who eventually gets shut down by luftwaffe and is on the enemy territory. And about what helps him survive. And as we show that, we have a glimpse of his life before, when his craft was taking mail to Sakhara and South America, about lessons he learned from the men of his trade, and the qualities of his characted that he has developed, or that were moulded in him. In the book that I am reading now there's an astonishing story about a pilot who had ran out of gas flying above Andes in Winrter, and about how he survived alone in the mountains for a week and about what kept him moving (literally, creeping). Example of this man kept the main character of the story moving and surviving. And as he went on, we immersed into his reflections about values of life, frienship, and the war.
The "bad guy" in the War part of the story is probably the germans, and his weakness. And in the flashback part of the story (his years as an airline pilot) the "villain" are the uncontrolled elements of nature (wind, sand, snow), and as well, the human weakness. These are practically unstoppable (unlike the nazis).
And in the movie it would be awesome to have some really amazing airplane dogfight scenes, because there are actually too few historical movies about war with good dogfight in the air sequences.

The two books I am reading (one of them I have finished reading) that are written by de Saint Exupery, and are autobiographical, are "Flight to Arras" and "Wind, sand and Stars" (I am reading it now).

But it is not necessary to make the main character identical to the autor of the books.

Also, as I said, the story is not just about a man, it's also about the nations. No one fully understood the reasons and meaning of wars. And most of the people who fought it, did not really understand the cause behind it, the cause for which they had to lay their lives. At the other hand, I read about the pilots, that they were a different breed, that for them fighting was like hunting, like gambling in a way.

Anyhow, I don't know, I am just thinking about it. And no, I don't see it as a "commercial" movie like "Saving private Ryan". It's action AND reflection.

What do you think?
 
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What do you think?

I like it. I like the idea of man v nature. Moby Dick comes to mind. Remember your character must be incredibly driven by some goal or purpose. The nobler
the purpose, the bloodier the struggle to survive, especially against the fury of nature. As far as the Germans are concerned, personally, I would make one of them stand out. You must give Nazi evil a face. Could be some Luftwaffe commander who wants to bring this French guy down at all costs...( he might be delivering medicin ? or helping the French "resistance" out of Paris ? ...)

One more thing. Ever thought about filming a makeshift trailer for your movie ?
You know, a commercial ? Or drawing up posters or a DVD box for your film ?

This is sure to get you focused on your story (ie : What would your movie´s lobby poster look like ?)
 
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Hey man,thanks for feedback.
I will take into account what you said. You have great ideas.

One thing I wanna share is an idea for a christian movie that has been haunting me for years. The idea is to portray the church of our age. In short, the idea is, "What if Jesus was born only 34 years ago? And the book of Acts started only 6 months ago. But then, to show in a span of just 1 generation, how church became what it is now... When Jesus said that He is coming back soon, "wait for me, I am returning very soon", how soon the church forgot that. Dude this idea can't leave my mind for several years. What if Jesus died and was ascended only half a year ago... and the church is on fire, the Gospel is being proclaimed, there's love, there are miracles, there is judgment of God and holiness... But then time passes and church becomes an organization, it divides, it is full of strife, and faith leaves, miracles cease... And then Jesus comes back... and only the faithful ones meet him.

And it would be cool to start the movie where the "Passion of the Christ" ended... remember when you see a silhuette of a man with a pierced arm walks out of a tomb? So you start right there, Jesus walking out of a tomb... in Los Angeles? And here it begins. A massive revival and tons of people come to faith. And then on and on till heresies enter the church and church divides and becomes secular again.
 
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Ringu said:
Hey man,thanks for feedback.
I will take into account what you said. You have great ideas.

The (new) idea is to portray the church of our age (...) "What if Jesus was born only 34 years ago?(...) "wait for me, I am returning very soon", how soon the church forgot that (...). Dude this idea can't leave my mind for several years (...) and the church is on fire (...) there's love, there are miracles, there is judgment of God and holiness(...)And it would be cool to start the movie where the "Passion of the Christ" ended(...) you see a silhuette of a man with a pierced arm walks out of a tomb?(...)

Hey pal, what happened to the flying Frenchman ? BTW , ever heard of ADD ? LMAO !
 
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That was so funny, because I thought Thriller was comparing Ringu's idea to the song "Superman" by 3 Doors Down, and I was all thinking how it fit and how it would work. Then I read that she posted in the wrong thread. :D

Ringu, I really like both of your ideas! I think you should start writing up some dialogue and whatnot for the WWII script, because I think you could find a lot of deep thoughts of the main character and much that he would have to say. Also, since you've read one book and are reading a second book on the subject, it'd be a great time to start making notes. I like how it almost sounds like the Nazi enemy is somehow (loosely) the personification of his own private fears and reservations. It'd be so intriguing to watch it all weave itself together on the big screen.

There was one thing I didn't get about the "Christ Today" movie idea. Would it be Jesus being born in present day, or Him just appearing on the scene as a continuation of His resurrection? (Did that question make sense?) Because I think it would be such a cool twist on the modern "Jesus" type movies if you took the route that He died, rose again, imparted His Spirit to the church...then start off in modern times where the Spirit of God is being radically stirred up again and how the Church is returning to its first love and revival is beginning to break out (etc. etc.). In my head when I read it, it seemed to walk the line between fiction and documentary, which I thought was incredible. Very nice! If that's not what you meant...then um...oops...but I still like the idea in general.
 
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FireRock said:
There was one thing I didn't get about the "Christ Today" movie idea. Would it be Jesus being born in present day, or Him just appearing on the scene as a continuation of His resurrection? (Did that question make sense?) Because I think it would be such a cool twist on the modern "Jesus" type movies if you took the route that He died, rose again, imparted His Spirit to the church...then start off in modern times where the Spirit of God is being radically stirred up again and how the Church is returning to its first love and revival is beginning to break out (etc. etc.). In my head when I read it, it seemed to walk the line between fiction and documentary, which I thought was incredible. Very nice! If that's not what you meant...then um...oops...but I still like the idea in general.
Well initially my idea was that the time when Christ came wasn't 2000 years ago, but it happened just last century and that he actually died and rose from the dead just a very short time ago.
I understood your idea that you want to show a sort of a modern day revival in the original meaning of this word. But my idea was actually the opposite, the decay of the church. I don't know, it's sad, but there can be something inspiring and prompting to action in it.
I would appreciate if you could write more about how you would see it.
 
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I always thought it would be very difficult to make a modern-day Jesus story while keeping with who the Bible says Jesus was when He walked the earth. You couldn't necessarily have Him born in the Middle East again, because of all the mindsets and such going on over there, He'd probably get killed when He went to the temple at twelve. The crucifixion wouldn't work either, unless He was born in more of an underdeveloped country, but you need the cucifixion because of what the old testament prophets predicted. Although, with all the questions in my head, I suppose that mindsets and culture and such would be wholly different if Jesus hadn't appeared on the scene up until this point. It's so much to take in and consider!

As for my veiws on what I saw when you first brought up this movie idea, Ringu, I still agree with you and I think I see it much of the same way you're seeing it, but like you said, in the opposite direction. :) Thank you for clearing your ideas up though...I totally see your vision clearly now. My veiw of it was that you'd see all the decay of the church and society around it, but then Jesus walks onto the scene in a very manifest/tangible way (aka-Holy Spirit!) and suddenly the church is reformed, and possibly divided as this new way of revival (in its deepest and truest form) spreads throughout the nation(s). What you were talking about was how Jesus came and died and rose only a short time ago, the church of Acts is now just starting up and we're already seeing problems in it. Is that right? It's a good concept, definitely.

I do agree with The Ascetic Crusader, though, in thinking that the WWII movie would be better. It would definitely appeal to a much wider audience, and you could have an underlying message of Christ throughout it. Good overcomes evil, unconditional love and determination, laying down one's life, even having the main character be a man of faith.
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FireRock said:
It would definitely appeal to a much wider audience, and you could have an underlying message of Christ throughout it.

Yeah, I agree with FireRock. Neverthless I still think you should work on the visuals. It will help you focus. Try making a fake DVD box for your movie.
Or a cool lobby poster. Even a radio ad for your flick... I can almost hear it now :

Noise coming through an old radio :

The Messenger : ( lots of static over the radio) This is The Messenger over ...do you copy...anybody out there. I´m coming in with a plane load of penecilin for the children... do you copy, over

German Commander ( heavy German accent): Kill him....

( high tempo action music - We hear cannon shots , explosions , gun shots , machine guns , planes whizzing...people screaming, babies crying )

Narrator (deep voice) : This summer, the messenger will deliver...


What do you think Ringu ? I believe you´ve got a pretty good flick in your hands.
 
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FireRock said:
I always thought it would be very difficult to make a modern-day Jesus story while keeping with who the Bible says Jesus was when He walked the earth. You couldn't necessarily have Him born in the Middle East again, because of all the mindsets and such going on over there, He'd probably get killed when He went to the temple at twelve. The crucifixion wouldn't work either, unless He was born in more of an underdeveloped country, but you need the cucifixion because of what the old testament prophets predicted. Although, with all the questions in my head, I suppose that mindsets and culture and such would be wholly different if Jesus hadn't appeared on the scene up until this point. It's so much to take in and consider!
I thoght about the same thing, and honestly I don't know how to reconcile the Bible account and prophecies with the modern day, like would Jesus be still crucified on the cross etc. So I think I would leave that part unchanged, and let everyone figure it out why and how he was crucified... because honestly I don't see any other alternative. I mean, in the US now Jesus would maybe do a few years in prison or be sent to a hospital for mentally incapable. But that would totally contradict the Bible. So imagine that the movie begins with Jesus walking out of the tomb, but we don't know how or where he was crucified.
And crucifiction of Jesus is not the central idea of the plot. It's the church. Why I want to bring Jesus in in our age is to show how christianity would develop from a fresh start but taking into account the modern world. And where christianity would go in a few years, and how it came to what it is. But it would help see the transformation not over 2000 years but over a life of just 1 generation.
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What you were talking about was how Jesus came and died and rose only a short time ago, the church of Acts is now just starting up and we're already seeing problems in it. Is that right? It's a good concept, definitely.
Yes this is exactly what I want to show.

FireRock said:
I do agree with The Ascetic Crusader, though, in thinking that the WWII movie would be better. It would definitely appeal to a much wider audience, and you could have an underlying message of Christ throughout it. Good overcomes evil, unconditional love and determination, laying down one's life, even having the main character be a man of faith.
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Actually I wasn't thinking about any underlying message in the WW2 plot. Just a war movie with a lot of action in the sky and a struggle of one man to survive behind enemy lines.
 
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