I see, your refusal to answer is there for all to see.That's because you haven't answered my questions. How is 'why I am touting the EES' or its importance to myself relevant to the validity of the EES.
No I am quite willing to answer but only on the proviso that you answer my questions. Fair is fair. Afterall I have asked these questions a few times and you seem to have avoided answering them which points to you having something to hide.I see, your refusal to answer is there for all to see.
I have actually answered it several times. Your reasons for your postings and agenda is important for us to understand you.No I am quite willing to answer but only on the proviso that you answer my questions. Fair is fair. Afterall I have asked these questions a few times and you seem to have avoided answering them which points to you having something to hide.
Well it looks like the mainstream literature doesn't have a proper conceptual understanding of evolution as they use the word variation interchangeably and out of context to mean different things.
That's funny, If I cannot write in academic terms then how did I get my degree.I have actually answered it several times. Your reasons for your postings and agenda is important for us to understand you.
Especially as your arguments are very flawed and as you really can't write in an academic language.
OK so what are you saying. From my understanding you were referring to the word 'variation' used in my exchange with speedwell, is that correct. Its proper meaning in 'context' which is based on understanding the science or facts around how the word is used....
Not at all what I was saying.
Its not, now answer.That's funny, If I cannot write in academic terms then how did I get my degree.
But that is not what I asked you. I asked you why knowing why I am touting the EES is relevant to the validity of the EES.
I guess you're going to say that you're not answering the proper question I asked was because I didn't explain things properly and that this is my fault. lol.
So to make it clear I am not asking why it is important for me to post about the EES. I am asking you how me telling you why I am posting about the EES is relevant to the validity of the EES itself.
Then why the need to know something that is totally irrelevant to this thread. It won't add any positive contribution to the EES but rather be off-topic and will only derail the thread. Is that your aim to derail this thread? I would refer you to the following thread debate policyIts not, now answer.
The thing is, I'm getting bored with you trying to prove whatever your point is by reference to the same Nature article and that Royal Society paper over and over. You need something more recent, anyway. Try this.Then why the need to know something that is totally irrelevant to this thread. It won't add any positive contribution to the EES but rather be off-topic and will only derail the thread. Is that your aim to derail this thread? I would refer you to the following thread debate policy
Address only the content of the post and not the poster
Because its relevant to your posts.Then why the need to know something that is totally irrelevant to this thread. It won't add any positive contribution to the EES but rather be off-topic and will only derail the thread. Is that your aim to derail this thread? I would refer you to the following thread debate policy
Address only the content of the post and not the poster
OK thanks, but it's behind a paywall. You obviously haven't been paying attention to the papers and articles I have been linking. I have linked around a dozen papers IEThe thing is, I'm getting bored with you trying to prove whatever your point is by reference to the same Nature article and that Royal Society paper over and over. You need something more recent, anyway. Try this.
Extended Evolutionary Synthesis: what is the debate about, and what might success for the extenders look like?
Sorry, it wasn't for me.OK thanks, but it's behind a paywall. You obviously haven't been paying attention to the papers and articles I have been linking. I have linked around a dozen papers IE
How the EES differs from the Modern Synthesis
How the EES differs from the Modern Synthesis – Extended Evolutionary Synthesis
The Extended (Evolutionary) Synthesis Debate: Where Science Meets Philosophy
Extended (Evolutionary) Synthesis Debate: Where Science Meets Philosophy
Why an extended evolutionary synthesis is necessary
Why an extended evolutionary synthesis is necessary
Evolutionary biology today and the call for an extended synthesis
https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsfs.2016.0145
Does the extended evolutionary synthesis entail extended explanatory power?
Does the extended evolutionary synthesis entail extended explanatory power?
Niche construction, microbiome transfers, and developmental bias are challenging the standard gene-centric view of how evolution works.
Putting the Extended Evolutionary Synthesis to the Test - John Templeton Foundation
Beyond DNA: integrating inclusive inheritance into an extended theory of evolution
Beyond DNA: integrating inclusive inheritance into an extended theory of evolution | Nature Reviews Genetics
A TVOL interview with philosopher Kim Sterelny: A conversation about the Extended Evolutionary Synthesis
A TVOL interview with philosopher Kim Sterelny: A conversation about the Extended Evolutionary Synthesis – Extended Evolutionary Synthesis
How adaptive plasticity evolves when selected against
How adaptive plasticity evolves when selected against
Understanding the role of plasticity in evolution
Understanding the role of plasticity in evolution – Extended Evolutionary Synthesis
The evolution of inclusive heredity through the genomic interactions of symbionts
Research projects – Extended Evolutionary Synthesis
Research project 10: Host adaptation via change in its microbiome
Research project 10: Host adaptation via change in its microbiome – Extended Evolutionary Synthesis
Niche construction
Niche construction
Project 13 Adaptation through niche construction and microbiome function in Onthophagus beetles
Adaptation through niche construction and microbiome function in Onthophagus beetles – Extended Evolutionary Synthesis
Project 14 An experimental test of plasticity-led evolution
An experimental test of plasticity-led evolution – Extended Evolutionary Synthesis
Scientists Seek to Update Evolution
https://www.quantamagazine.org/scientists-seek-to-update-evolution-20161122
The World's Top Biologists Have Met to Discuss Whether We Should Update Evolution
The World's Top Biologists Have Met to Discuss Whether We Should Update Evolution
The extended evolutionary synthesis: its structure, assumptions, and predictions
https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rspb.2015.1019
Biases in the study of developmental bias
Error - Cookies Turned Off
Who’s afraid of the Extended Synthesis?
Who’s afraid of the Extended Synthesis? – Niche construction
I also provided a link to the EES site that holds dozens of papers based on the research done on the EES and other articles here
https://extendedevolutionarysynthesis.com/
This site also includes research projects areas the scientists are doing where each section has links to many other papers as well as blog posts IE
Conceptual issues
The EES in historical focusInfo
The EES in philosophical focusInfo
Evolutionary innovations
How evolution learns from experience Info
Developmental bias and the origin of adaptive variation Info
The role of developmental plasticity in innovation and diversification of Onthophagus beetles Info
Evolution and ontogeny of complex group adaptation Info
The origins of organismal complexity Info
Plasticity and house building in social insects Info
Inclusive inheritance
The evolution of inclusive heredity through the genomic interactions of symbionts Info
Adaptation through genes without change to the genome: host adaptation via change in its microbiome composition Info
Evolution of extra-genetic inheritance: a life-cycle perspective Info
Extra-genetic inheritance and adaptation to novel environments Info
Adaptation through niche construction and microbiome function in Onthophagus beetles Info
Evolutionary diversification
An experimental test of plasticity-led evolution Info
Plasticity and adaptive radiation in Anolis lizards Info
Phenotypic plasticity, developmental bias and evolutionary diversification in butterflies Info
Plasticity as a bridge between micro- and macroevolution Info
Adaptive trends and parallel evolution generated by niche construction Info
Niche construction, plasticity and the diversity of coral reef fauna Info
Niche construction and evolutionary diversity in experimental marine microbial communities Info
Macro-evolutionary dynamics of niche construction Info
Ecosystem networks and system-level functions Info
https://extendedevolutionarysynthesis.com/the-project/research-projects/
In simple terms limiting our conception of evolution is a bad thing. The SET is limited in its explanations and science and therefore promoting the EES offers expanded explanations that can help increase the science and our understanding of evolution which is a good thing. As I have mentioned I am challenging some people's position on evolution especially on this forum where they take that limited view.Sorry, it wasn't for me.
But let us stipulate, for purposes of argument, that we generally agree with all of those papers (and I haven't read all of them of course, but I assume, again for purposes of argument that they all have appeared in reputable peer-reviewed journals--no ID ringers--as we have generally agreed with all of the other legitimate papers you have posted,)
What is your point?
No it's not, my post is about the content of the EES, how it is conceptually different to the SET, and how that is a better way to scientifically understand the causes of evolution. You need to address that and not what my personal beliefs are about the EES. One is about the science for which the thread is about. The other is based on theology which this thread is not about and will not inform us on whether the EES is or is not a better way to understand evolution.Because its relevant to your posts.
Now answer.
You would have to ask that question to the authors of the EES papers. Why would they express that statement over and over again. It's not just a matter of further context, they specifically make that statement about the SET. They then go into further reasoning as to why so the simple literature statement is a good reflection of what they further explain.No. It is filtering out the non-adaptive variations. Alternatively, it is the process by which you can tell which variations are adaptive. The variations happen regardless.
Still waiting for an answer to the question - how could natural selection possibly be the 'sole cause' of evolution? what does that even mean?
Yeah, I know you are just a creationist.No it's not, my post is about the content of the EES, how it is conceptually different to the SET, and how that is a better way to scientifically understand the causes of evolution. You need to address that and not what my personal beliefs are about the EES. One is about the science for which the thread is about. The other is based on theology which this thread is not about and will not inform us on whether the EES is or is not a better way to understand evolution.
But for your information my reply to speedwell sort of answers to your question.
I'm asking you, because if you don't understand and can't explain what they mean, your use of it as a criticism of SET is valueless.You would have to ask that question to the authors of the EES papers.
I thought a creationist only believes the universe and earth is 6,000 years old, that God supernaturally created life such as humans and all other living things as they appear today. That they dont support evolution or common decent. How could I be a creationists if I support evolution and common decent from a universal common ancestor. My position is more in line with theistic evolution.Yeah, I know you are just a creationist.
I may not understand evolution at the biologists level but as far as the differences in the core tenets, assumptions and structure between the EES and the SET I think I have a pretty good understanding. Basically the SET takes the adaptive view of evolutionary cause. Only natural selection causes adaptive evolution and therefore drives evolutionary change. Its a pretty easy concept to understand. Natural selection is the go to explanation for how creatures adapt to their environments and only random gene change is the process that creates variation for NS to act on.I'm asking you, because if you don't understand and can't explain what they mean, your use of it as a criticism of SET is valueless.
You have accused people of taking such a limited view, even when they have not. They may have appeared to you to have done so, but read what you just wrote: Everybody here agrees that "EES offers expanded explanations that can help increase the science and our understanding of evolution which is a good thing."In simple terms limiting our conception of evolution is a bad thing. The SET is limited in its explanations and science and therefore promoting the EES offers expanded explanations that can help increase the science and our understanding of evolution which is a good thing. As I have mentioned I am challenging some people's position on evolution especially on this forum where they take that limited view.
Some people, maybe. My reading of the situation is that it is mostly a misunderstanding due to us not devoting as much time and energy as you think you are owed, to figure out what you are talking about.Despite people saying that the SET is incorporating the additional explanations from the EES, they are not as far as them acknowledging the EES forces as actual causes of evolution.
How selfless of you. And when you are done you can go teach your grandma to suck eggs.That to me is taking a narrow view and is a misrepresentation of evolution which can lead to a misinformed view of evolution. I am simply challenging that view on scientific and philosophical grounds.
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?