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(moved) "RACE" IS AN ARTIFICIAL SOCIAL CONSTRUCT.

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No, it's not a pointless triviality. But they aren't true Christians...
That is easy to say but very hard to prove. Only God knows if they are truly saved by calling on the Name of Messiah.

"‘And it shall be that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." Acts 2.21 quoting Joel 2.32
 
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"You said that word was not found in the bible. I showed you it was.
Take it up with the translators of the NIV."
Like I said, stop spreading the "RACE" lie DAVEw
You did not address the point I made.

Race is NOT a lie. Race is a God-given distinction intended for mutual blessing. Unfortunately, evil men have turned Joseph's words to his brothers on its head.

What God meant for good they have turned into evil. (ref Gen 50.20)
 
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i'm asking you to explain YOUR words, which stated that God has done things arbitrarily. I disagree. Everything He does has a purpose, and was with thought and design.

Progressives have moved toward ignoring the distinctions and diversity which God Himself has made. Distinctions such as male and female, for instance. . .

"That's the problem with our society. People try to group other people into categories"

That's "the problem with our society"?! How did you come to that conclusion?
 
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Everything matters in God's eyes.

Ok, let's assume that's true.

Then in God'd eyes it matters how tall I am. So why don't we divide societies up according to our height instead of our skin colour.
We could call it apart-height.
 
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Then in God'd eyes it matters how tall I am. So why don't we divide societies up according to our height instead of our skin colour.
It happens:

Standing tall pays off, study finds
"The findings suggest that someone who is 6 feet tall earns, on average, nearly $166,000 more during a 30-year career than someone who is 5 feet 5 inches--even when controlling for gender, age and weight."
We could call it apart-height.
Cute.
 
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Pope Francis, Queen Elizabeth II, David Rockefeller, all the Rothschilds.... you know... the Illuminati, the "powers that be," the ones who worship Satan and have souled their souls for world domination. (Matthew 4:8-9). Wake up.

I would indeed like to see quotes from Pope Francis and Queen Elizabeth II saying that they want to quit their sovereignty over their nations (Vatican City and the United Kingdom) in order to start, somehow, ruling over the whole world.


I promote tolerance for homosexuals and LGBT groups. Surely, I strongly disagree with their practices and I refuse to accept them as morally correct, but this does not mean that I would reject them as people. Their existence should be freely tolerated by everyone. In other words, I promote tolerance for homosexuals and intolerance for homosexuality. Gay Christians need to be taught that their activities are incorrect in light of the Bible.


Those verses do not argue for racial segregation. They are directed specifically at Israel, that the people should not mix with other nations, so as to avoid following their evil practices. But it never says that whites should not be mixed with blacks.
 
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Or evil men, aka:men?

Some creatures are quite different post-fall, aren't they?
Thank you, that was exactly the point I was trying to make...

i'm asking you to explain YOUR words, which stated that God has done things arbitrarily. I disagree. Everything He does has a purpose, and was with thought and design.
But, as you point out, that purpose and design often gets corrupted.

In the example at hand, humans have distinctions that were designed solely for the purpose of humans being able to fill the Earth (Genesis 1:28). But post-fall these distinctions have become an excuse for arbitrary discrimination by evil men.

Progressives have moved toward ignoring the distinctions and diversity which God Himself has made.
Not correct. We progressives are trying to move towards recognising these distinctions for what they actually are (as God designed), and ignoring, combating, and allowing for their post-fall corruption. (Matthew 6:10)
 
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"The findings suggest that someone who is 6 feet tall earns, on average, nearly $166,000 more during a 30-year career than someone who is 5 feet 5 inches--even when controlling for gender, age and weight."
That's not so much discrimination than an interesting effect. I suppose it could technically be classified as discrimination. But it's orders of magnitude less significant than racism.
 
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Not correct. We progressives are trying to move towards recognising these distinctions for what they actually are (as God designed), and ignoring, combating, and allowing for their post-fall corruption.


Has God created men and women to be different?
 
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Are you saying that dark skin color is a corruption of God's design?
No.
Good grief.
Try comprehending the whole post before replying...
I wrote: But post-fall these distinctions have become an excuse for arbitrary discrimination by evil men.

I'm saying that these distinctions (e.g.: skin colour etc.) that were designed by God for one purpose (global propagation), have been corrupted by evil men for another purpose (discrimination).
 
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Has God created men and women to be different?
Men and women are created physically different for the purpose of making and nursing babies. But that's not necessarily the same as being different. Your question is ambiguous, so my answer depends on what you actually mean.
 
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God created dark skin to propagate the earth?! Your posts are borderline racist, IMO.
 
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Men and women are created physically different for the purpose of making and nursing babies. But that's not necessarily the same as being different. Your question is ambiguous, so my answer depends on what you actually mean.

Breasts are the only distinction you see? Good thing there aren't any feminists around here.
 
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God created dark skin to propagate the earth?! Your posts are borderline racist, IMO.

Breasts are the only distinction you see? Good thing there aren't any feminists around here.
Either you have a severe problem with comprehension, or you are trolling me.
I'm happy to explain, listen, debate and discuss with you when you start being sensible. But not before then.
 
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Either you have a severe problem with comprehension, or you are trolling me.
I'm happy to explain, listen, debate and discuss with you when you start being sensible. But not before then.

I've made a point using your bias, and I can tell it's landed. For those slow to catch on, use the back button.
 
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I've made a point using your bias, and I can tell it's landed. For those slow to catch on, use the back button.
I'll go against my keener instincts, and assume that you are not trolling. (Although the sentence "Good thing there aren't any feminists around here" strongly suggests that you are.)

I may well have a bias. But even so, it has nothing to do with the comments you made; which were non-sequiturs. So no, even if you do have a point it is still only in your head, and has not "landed".

Seeing as you seem to be having trouble comprehending my words, I'll give you a few clues.

1. Why do humans have a range of skin colours?
2. Why do women have mammary glands?
3. What are the other non-trivial differences between women and men?
 
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Seeing as you seem to be having trouble comprehending my words, I'll give you a few clues.

1. Why do humans have a range of skin colours?
2. Why do women have mammary glands?
3. What are the other non-trivial differences between women and men?

Would you like me to answer these questions, or are you giving me "a few clues"?
 
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