MOVED FROM N&CE: Insight On Hezbollah

[vipertaja]

I wish America had a group of men so actively patriotic as Hezbollah is about their country.

...or maybe not. I think you're going a bit off the far end.

 

[Defensor Fidei]

...or maybe not. I think you're going a bit off the far end.

How so?

 

[vipertaja]

How so?

If the US would have such fanatics I'd be very afraid indeed.
With the US military resources and a terrorist's mentality who
would be safe then?

 

[Defensor Fidei]

If the US would have such fanatics I'd be very afraid indeed.
With the US military resources and a terrorist's mentality who
would be safe then?

How would a militia of patriotic citizens get ahold of the resources of the U.S. government?
If anything the government would use those resources in an attempt to suppress such freedom fighters.

The U.S. military policy is already under the control of terrorist fanatics, but they're not Moslems...

 

[vipertaja]

How would a militia of patriotic citizens get ahold of the resources of the U.S. government?
If anything the government would use those resources in an attempt to suppress such freedom fighters.

The U.S. military policy is already under the control of terrorist fanatics, but they're not Moslems...

Are you saying you want US to have some kind of underground illegal
guerilla group slaughtering civilians of whatever country they have a
grudge against? This is just getting weirder and weirder...

 

[Defensor Fidei]

Are you saying you want US to have some kind of underground illegal
guerilla group slaughtering civilians of whatever country they have a
grudge against? This is just getting weirder and weirder...

No, I am saying the U.S. should have a patriotic citizens' militia which fights a tyrannical government that has been slaughtering civilians around the world for decades.

What's illegal about it?

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
--U.S. Constitution, Second Amendment

 

[LogicChristian]

No, I am saying the U.S. should have a patriotic citizens' militia which fights a tyrannical government that has been slaughtering civilians around the world for decades.

What's illegal about it?

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
--U.S. Constitution, Second Amendment

Are you arguing that the constitution supports the idea of anti-government militias? If that were true, can you explain why Shay's Rebellion and the Whiskey Rebellion were put down?

 

[Defensor Fidei]

Are you arguing that the constitution supports the idea of anti-government militias? If that were true, can you explain why Shay's Rebellion and the Whiskey Rebellion were put down?

The government then was not the Bush police state we have now.

"I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical...
It is a medicine necessary for the sound health of government."
--Thomas Jefferson

 

[LogicChristian]

The government then was not the Bush police state we have now.

"I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical...
It is a medicine necessary for the sound health of government."
--Thomas Jefferson

But the government then didn't allow a little rebellion now and then, they put them down, pretty brutally too I might add. And many of the ones that put them down or took some part had their name on the Constitution.

 

[Defensor Fidei]

But the government then didn't allow a little rebellion now and then, they put them down, pretty brutally too I might add. And many of the ones that put them down or took some part had their name on the Constitution.

Of course those rebellions were unsuccessful, but their actions ultimately kept the government at bay from abusing their power too far.

 

[LogicChristian]

Of course those rebellions were unsuccessful, but their actions ultimately kept the government at bay from abusing their power too far.

But you said the government then was not the police state we have now. They obviously took the same attitude towards armed rebellion. Jefferson certainly didn't rise in favor of either rebellion.

 

[Defensor Fidei]

But you said the government then was not the police state we have now. They obviously took the same attitude towards armed rebellion. Jefferson certainly didn't rise in favor of either rebellion.

I was saying that I agree in principle with rebellions like Shay's Rebellion however I do not see their particular causes as justly defending the "security of a free state." The Bush regime is very different from the government in place then. I think all the framers then would have supported rebellion against a regime which is more along the lines of the tyrannical King George which they themselves had rebelled against.

 

[Sleeker]

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
--U.S. Constitution, Second Amendment

"Well-regulated" prohibits a Hezbollah-type militia, because I wouldn't call terrorist attack well-regulated.

America is not a police state either.

 

[PACKY]

What excactly does Israeli-occupied America mean?