Moved from Christian Advice - I can't help my family...

[Lee M]

Thanks Pal

 

[Alienated]

Yes I have and no I am not willing to go there again. I do not say that to be rude, we just don't need to go there. I am trying to be kind here and I don't want to end up listing all the reasons I am not one because it will just anger, depress and confuse the people here.

So ONLY your feelings and beliefs are valid ? They are the ones that are lost?
You want them to change so you don't feel hurt ?

Just listen to yourself and ask yourself how you are any different than what you accuse them of .....
You made your choice and now you have to push it here, and tell us where you won't go, Hows this ? Go AWAY !

 

[Lee M]

If that's how you feel fine, I am not going to dispute it with you but no I am not leaving.

 

[madetoworship]

Hey Lee M. Glad to see you on this part of the forums. But I am heart broken that you are in this predicament. I didn't know you were going through this.

I'm afraid there isn't much to do here. Out of love your mom wants you to accept Christ as your lord and savior. As you said, and what we talked about before, accepting Christ comes out of realizing the need for Him. You simply haven't realized that yet. You are not at fault in the way your family cares about you and loves you.

I'd show your mom as much love as you can. Talk to her more about why she believes and what's holding you back.

As always, it's great seeing you on here. God bless you.

 

[Lee M]

Hey Lee M. Glad to see you on this part of the forums. But I am heart broken that you are in this predicament. I didn't know you were going through this.

I'm afraid there isn't much to do here. Out of love your mom wants you to accept Christ as your lord and savior. As you said, and what we talked about before, accepting Christ comes out of realizing the need for Him. You simply haven't realized that yet. You are not at fault in the way your family cares about you and loves you.

I'd show your mom as much love as you can. Talk to her more about why she believes and what's holding you back.

As always, it's great seeing you on here. God bless you.

You are an on time friend in more ways than I will elaborate on, thank you very much

 

[seeingeyes]

For those of you unfamiliar with LeeM's postings, let me explain that he has been working hard over the last little while to cast basic Christian doctrine and theology in as bad a light as he can (in the Exploring Christianity forum). He doesn't do this by overt means, however. Usually, he uses the sort of post he has made here to insinuate his criticisms of the Christian faith. It is a clever strategy, but his many posts have settled into a pretty distinct pattern. His OPs seems to be innocuous inquiries into the beliefs and views of Christians, but as responses come in, he inevitably begins to go into greater detail about his criticisms of the Christian faith. Of course, this approach to attacking the Christian faith gives him a sort of plausible deniability: "I'm merely responding to the comments of others." If one reads over his many threads, however, it is plain that his real goal is simply to smear the faith.

Now, LeeM may be taking a different tack in this thread. He may refrain from his typical attack on Christianity (though he has already made some oblique criticisms). Time will tell. Don't be surprised, though, if and when his backhanded assault on Christianity begins.

Proverbs 9:7-8
7 "He who corrects a scoffer gets shame for himself, And he who rebukes a wicked man only harms himself.
8 Do not correct a scoffer, lest he hate you; Rebuke a wise man, and he will love you.

Matthew 7:6
6 Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces.

Selah.

And?

What difference does that make?

He has been honest enough to state his lack of interest to Christianity here. Why shouldn't we answer in kind, with honesty?

If his goal is to 'smear the faith', let him bring it on. What do the children of light have to fear?

Nada.

 

[Lee M]

If my goal was to smear the faith I would use the opportunity and I have not. I will not be sharing my ideas about Christianity on this forum except that I do not approve though that isn't what this thread is about. I only mentioned that to try to avoid having to tell people that I don't want to be witnessed to and not to bother themselves with something they can't accomplish.

If it seems I'm trying to paint Christianity in the worst possible way it isn't because I'm trying it's because my disapproval of it really is that extreme. That really is how I feel. I am not playing a game.

 

[Lee M]

and the reason I don't want to them to try is because I am tired of seeing people's seemingly good intentions turn into anger or disappointment or sadness. Sort of like my Mother. I am tired of causing people these troubles and putting them through these things in their efforts to help me, so I just want them to leave it alone for my sake but also theirs and it wouldn't be fair for me to let them begin something I know they can't finish and set them up for that disappointment.

 

[znr]

I'm praying for you always. I'll add your mom and sister.

 

[Lee M]

Thanks Zeener.

 

[aiki]

And?

What difference does that make?

He has been honest enough to state his lack of interest to Christianity here. Why shouldn't we answer in kind, with honesty?

If his goal is to 'smear the faith', let him bring it on. What do the children of light have to fear?

Nada.

*Sigh* I don't recall saying that we have anything to fear...I was simply warning people not to give LeeM further opportunity to badmouth the Christian faith. If you want to trade shots with him, go ahead. You might want to evaluate the value in doing so however in light of the verses I offered.

Selah.

 

[Lee M]

I am not sure what you imagine is happening here. I have been well pleased with her and her ideas. I am completely happy with her as I have ever since I met her and it would be completely dishonest of you to say I have been provoking any sort of argument here, rather I have been forceful in refusing to go there.

 

[amandatea]

*Sigh* I don't recall saying that we have anything to fear...I was simply warning people not to give LeeM further opportunity to badmouth the Christian faith. If you want to trade shots with him, go ahead. You might want to evaluate the value in doing so however in light of the verses I offered.

Selah.

I didn't see him badmouthing the faith here in this thread at all. In fact he has been very polite and kind toward everyone who has responded.

 

[katyn]

when i was growing up my mother and sister were christians and i was NOT...rebellious and completely against Christianity. but with them praying daily for me to see the light, i actually finally did. so i am suggesting to you to simply tell your mother and sister this: "well, with all the praying you guys do for me, don't you think that eventually one day i will come to Christ? duh" maybe that will dawn on them and give them less hurt and instead live in more peace about you.

 

[aiki]

I didn't see him badmouthing the faith here in this thread at all. In fact he has been very polite and kind toward everyone who has responded.

So far, so good. I will agree with you that LeeM is typically courteous toward other posters - even when he is dissing their beliefs.

Selah.

 

[Lee M]

Katyn

Ok I did say something like that to my Pastor and Mother yesterday. This is what I told them

I am going to be fine, if these things are true then you have nothing to be afraid of. If these things are true then surrender me to the process, leave me alone with it and let God hav his time and place to do what he needs to do. I did not get to where I am in a day, a month, or a year... if your ideas are true then feel at peace that God is taking and using the time he needs to do what he needs to. I did not get here in a day and it will not be corrected in a day and you need to accept that where I end up may not be anything that you could have foreseen or even wanted, surely Lord Jesus is not so predictable or typical

and I assure you that if you plan to try this without my full cooperation then that's pretty much witchcraft and it won't work

I have this hiding, lurking anger toward that Pastor that I honestly can't say for sure why I have. I feel a deep seated arrogance in him that is hidden by a very complex effort in formality. I am not sure why I am so upset with him, he's done many kind things for me but somehow at the end of the day I always feel used and patronized and I can't even tell where it comes from. It's really strange... normally it is very easy for me to conclude atleast what I think a persons true agenda is but not him for some reason. He is very murky water.

 

[Lee M]

I am thinking about just asking them to "surrender me to Satan for the destruction of my flesh so that my soul can be saved" as Paul told the Corinthians. Maybe that will place some spot in the road that they can feel significant about and feel good about having crossed, a sense of accomplishment or progression. Since it is part of scripture and it is portrayed as something that works.

 

[motherprayer]

Katyn

Ok I did say something like that to my Pastor and Mother yesterday. This is what I told them

I have this deep lurking anger toward that Pastor that I honestly can't say for sure why I have. I feel a deep seated arrogance in him that is hidden by a very complex effort in formality. I am not sure why I am so upset with him, he's done many kind things for me but somehow at the end of the day I always feel used and patronized and I can't even tell where it comes from. It's really strange... normally it is very easy for me to conclude atleast what I think a persons true agenda is but not him for some reason. He is very murky water.

Ack. This reminds me of my old pastor

 

[Lee M]

Motherprayer,

Actually I just tried to type all that I think I can tell about him and it suddenly dawned on me what I believe is happening... I think I see it now. The anger from his past that he has repeatedly testified of overcoming through Jesus Christ and through the methods he elaborates on having used really isn't gone at all, he's painfully put himself through many processes that allowed him to chain it up and keep it from showing but it's like his flesh quakes because it's still there deep, deep down in there that he doesn't remember anymore.

 

[Barricade24]

First, I really advise you not to lie to your family. That will just create false hopes for your family.

Second, I can see that your family deeply cares for you and that you care for them as well. However, their intentions may be misguided when you sister sent you that message. They mean well but even Christians sin as well.

Even though your family deseperately wants you to be come a believer, they should not enforce it on you. Jesus always gave people a choice. They should as well. I still hope that you may indeed become a believer it is never too late after all.

We will always be here to help you if you need it.