[MOVED] Did Adam and Eve have fight/flight response?

[Ryukil]

Now this question may sound weird, but fight/flight is one of those things that is explained through evolution.
Now you could say God created life with a fight/flight response, but why would he do that in the no-danger environment of the Garden of Eden?
Did he put it into Adam and Eve knowing they would sin and need it later once the Fall caused danger to happen?
Even small animals would not need this as all animals in the Garden were vegetarian.

 

[Hank77]

The first flight response was in the Garden, when they ran and tried to hide from God.

 

[Ryukil]

The first flight response was in the Garden, when they ran and tried to hide from God.

Hmm, I guess that's true.

 

[Hank77]

Hmm, I guess that's true.

Don't feel bad, that just dawned on me a couple of months ago when I was thinking about how the word nakedness is used in the Bible as it relates to sin and the covering for sin, in atonement.
For instance, Noah had imbibed a little too much wine. His one son finds him in the tent and exposed. He runs and blabs about it to his brothers rather than respectfully covering up his father and keeping his big mouth shut. His sin was much bigger than his father weakness. His brothers do the right thing, turn their backs respectfully and cover their father's weakness. Both showing love, mercy, and honor to him.
God covered Adam and Eve's nakedness (sin).

 

[joshua 1 9]

Now this question may sound weird, but fight/flight is one of those things that is explained through evolution.
Now you could say God created life with a fight/flight response, but why would he do that in the no-danger environment of the Garden of Eden?
Did he put it into Adam and Eve knowing they would sin and need it later once the Fall caused danger to happen?
Even small animals would not need this as all animals in the Garden were vegetarian.

All mammals have the same six basic hormones in the brain, fight/flight is a part of the pkg.

 

[juvenissun]

Now this question may sound weird, but fight/flight is one of those things that is explained through evolution.

Why should evolution be used to explain fight/flight? No evolution, no fight/flight?

 

[joshua 1 9]

Why should evolution be used to explain fight/flight? No evolution, no fight/flight?

This is a response and does not explain why the animals began to devour each other in the first place. Evolution does not explain why or how violence of this sort entered into the world. This violence could have begun with the reptile dinosaurs before mammals with the fight flight hormones evolved.

 

[juvenissun]

This is a response and does not explain why the animals began to devour each other in the first place. Evolution does not explain why or how violence of this sort entered into the world. This violence could have begun with the reptile dinosaurs before mammals with the fight flight hormones evolved.

So fishes do not fight/flight?

 

[joshua 1 9]

This is insanely ignorant.

Life has always fed on other life, with some exceptions (like bacteria).
Complex living things feed on organic materials.

Herbivors eat plants. Plants are living things too.

An animal evolving a sharp set of teeth to tear the flesh of another animal is, in essence, not different from a plant evolving poisonous materials to prevent being eaten by animas.

If ur gonna violate the rules and call me ignorant then don't expect a response. Don't expect me to read whatever you say after that.

The evolution of bacteria has nothing to do with the evolution of predators and carnivrtous species.

 

[joshua 1 9]

So fishes do not fight/flight?

There was an extinctions of predatory fish at about the same time the dinosaurs went extinct. A small remnant remained.

God will preserve a remnants to repopulate the earth.

 

[Ryukil]

My point was that fight/flight is a response to danger and in the Garden of Eden there was no danger.

Evolution explains the fight/flight because it is a reaction to danger.

I mean this brings up a whole bunch of other issues...some animals like lions can ONLY eat meat. So it means that sin would have changed their digestive systems to make it so that they could no longer eat plants. Which sounds weird to me. Why would sin only make some animals carnivores and not others?

 

[joshua 1 9]

My point was that fight/flight is a response to danger and in the Garden of Eden there was no danger.

Evolution explains the fight/flight because it is a reaction to danger.

I mean this brings up a whole bunch of other issues...some animals like lions can ONLY eat meat. So it means that sin would have changed their digestive systems to make it so that they could no longer eat plants. Which sounds weird to me. Why would sin only make some animals carnivores and not others?

Yet the Bible talks about a time when the Lion will eat straw like an Ox.

The wolf and the lamb will feed together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox, and dust will be the serpent's food. They will neither harm nor destroy on all my holy mountain," says the LORD. isa65:25

 

[Ryukil]

I just think it's strange that sin = carnivores.

 

[juvenissun]

I just think it's strange that sin = carnivores.

No, sin ≠ carnivores.
sin and carnivores are not related. Lions do not sin.

 

[joshua 1 9]

No, sin ≠ carnivores.
sin and carnivores are not related. Lions do not sin.

We know that carnivores goes back around 200 million or more years. This was a time when God's creation began to devour itself. The reason for this is that Satan was thrown down to the earth. Because he was mad at God he tampered with the dinosaurs to get them to begin to devour each other. Then later on the mammals became carnivores when the dinosaurs were destroyed about 64 million years ago.

Carnivores were never a part of God's plan. For those that get confused bacteria is not a carnivore. After God restores this planet the carnivores will go back to eating a plant based. Even today Science tells us that a plant based diet is far better and more healthy.

A lot of the teaching about Satan comes from John Darby (1800) known now as the father of dispensationalism. It is the best explanation we have and no one is coming up with a better interpretation of the Bible.

 

[joshua 1 9]

So fishes do not fight/flight?

It is rather amazing the way fish and birds travel together. If they fight then that is a part of the fallen condition of creation and will be fixed when all of creation is restored.

Rom 8 19 For the anxious longing of the creation waits eagerly for the revealing of the sons of God. 20For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God.…

Isa 11 6 And the wolf will dwell with the lamb, And the leopard will lie down with the young goat, And the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; And a little boy will lead them. 7 Also the cow and the bear will graze, Their young will lie down together, And the lion will eat straw like the ox.…

 

[juvenissun]

We know that carnivores goes back around 200 million or more years. This was a time when God's creation began to devour itself. The reason for this is that Satan was thrown down to the earth. Because he was mad at God he tampered with the dinosaurs to get them to begin to devour each other. Then later on the mammals became carnivores when the dinosaurs were destroyed about 64 million years ago.

When we tell human from animal, I don't think it is a big deal for animals to eat each other. I don't know if they were created to live in peace when hungry. Animal's death is different from human death anyway.

Isaiah's vision describes that animal will not hurt human in the Millennium. I speculate that some animals will still eat each other at that time. I don't see any thing wrong with that in theology. Even human will still die in the Millennium.

 

[juvenissun]

My point was that fight/flight is a response to danger and in the Garden of Eden there was no danger.

Evolution explains the fight/flight because it is a reaction to danger.

I mean this brings up a whole bunch of other issues...some animals like lions can ONLY eat meat. So it means that sin would have changed their digestive systems to make it so that they could no longer eat plants. Which sounds weird to me. Why would sin only make some animals carnivores and not others?

I guess your thinking on the needless of fight/flight in the Garden is reasonable.

However, we should know that the Garden is a special place set for Adam and Eve. The living conditions in the Garden is very different from that outside the Garden. Just like our homes. You laid down your guard when you live inside your home. We are not on alert at home does not mean we can to be on alert when we step out of the door. Who said that Adam and Eve are confined in the Garden?

 

[brinny]

Did Adam and Eve have fight/flight response?

Now this question may sound weird, but fight/flight is one of those things that is explained through evolution.
Now you could say God created life with a fight/flight response, but why would he do that in the no-danger environment of the Garden of Eden?
Did he put it into Adam and Eve knowing they would sin and need it later once the Fall caused danger to happen?
Even small animals would not need this as all animals in the Garden were vegetarian.

They had a "sin" response. (I will elaborate if you wish.)

Thank you kindly.

 

[Ryukil]

Did Adam and Eve have fight/flight response?


They had a "sin" response. (I will elaborate if you wish.)

Thank you kindly.

Sure, go ahead.

I'm just saying that there would be no need for a biological response to danger since there were no predators trying to kill Adam and Eve in the Garden.

Presumably, since the Garden was perfect, something like a branch falling off of a tree onto Adam's head wouldn't even happen, you know what I mean?