Most evolutionists are Christian

[Vance]

Here is an interesting factoid:

If you took all of the the people in the U.S. who accept evolution and put them in a big room, the majority of people in that room would be Christians.

There are simply more Christian evolutionists than atheist/agnostic evolutionists.

I find this interesting.

 

[Mallon]

Citation? I sorta doubt that.

 

[Vance]

Here is one analysis, from another thread I started in the CE forum, which you can find here http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7266913:

80-85% are christians
10-15% are non-religious (atheist, agnostic, other)

45-50% Accept evolution (from total population)

Thus, even if 100% of non-religious accept evolution, then at the bare minimum 30% accept it who are non-non-religious.

So that's at a bare minimum 2 times more chrisitans accept evolution than non-religious folks.


and here is another (where the "source" is a link to a source, but which will not link in this cut and paste) from that same thread.

The following only refers to citizens of the USA

"According to a 2005 Pew Research Center poll, 70 percent of evangelical Christians believe that living beings have always existed in their present form, compared with 32 percent of Protestants and 31 percent of Catholics. "
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This suggests that 68% of Protestants and 69% of Catholics (in the USA) accept evolution; evolution being the only other alternative to "living beings have always existed in their present form."

Catholic population USA: 23% 69,135,254;
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Protestant population USA: 44% (2006) 132,000,000
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Evangelical population in USA: 22% (2006) 66,000,000 (separated from the other protestants)
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And, doing a bit of calculation, 30% (100%-70%), 1,126,2037 of evangelicals believe in evolution.

SO.......

From the figures given, in 2006 Christians accounted for 89% of the U. S. population

AND.......

The totals of those who apparently believe in evolution:

68% of the Protestants = 89,000,000
69% of the Catholics = 47,000,000
30% of evangelicals = 1,100,000
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GRAND TOTAL of Christians who apparently believe in evolution. . . . 137,000,000

Or, 51% of the Christens in America (Catholics + Protestants + evangelicals) appear to believe in evolution.

A Harris poll in 2006 found that 4% of Americans said they were atheists. (14% said they were without a religion). 4% of 300 million = 12,000,000 atheists.


So, of the 149,000,000 people in the USA who believe in evolution, 92% of them are Christians

 

[Mallon]

Hmmm... I'll have to sit down and muddle over your math later. But one note of interest: I was talking with theologian Denis Lamoureux the other day, and he told me that in some recent polls he's taken at meetings for Baptist and Pentecostal clergy, some 65% of members at both meetings subscribed to evolution.
Maybe the pundulum is swinging back the other way again...

 

[Vance]

And let's not forget the Clergy Project! 11,000+ pastors signed on the petition in support of a statement accepting evolution.

 

[juvenissun]

Here is an interesting factoid:

If you took all of the the people in the U.S. who accept evolution and put them in a big room, the majority of people in that room would be Christians.

There are simply more Christian evolutionists than atheist/agnostic evolutionists.

I find this interesting.

It is the same as most Muslims are moderate Muslims. And, the majority of Buddhists are not monks.

 

[Jerrell]

Be careful what you consider Evolution. There are different theories. I think some of the Christians you site as believing in evolution actually believe in Theistic Evolution. I don't though. But I severly doubt that your percentages are correct. You have not walked around the U.S. and asked every Christian if they believe in Evolution. And then morever it depends on what one considers Christian. Because alot of Christians would argue that "Evolution" as taught traditionally is not biblical nor can it be reconciled to the bible. Then again are they really Christian? Or do they just claim the title?

 

[Mallon]

I think some of the Christians you site as believing in evolution actually believe in Theistic Evolution.

What's the difference? Try substituting "gravity" into the above sentence and see what sense it makes:

"I think some of the Christians you [c]ite as believing in gravity actually believe in Theistic Gravity."

You have not walked around the U.S. and asked every Christian if they believe in Evolution.

That's why we have statistics.

And then morever it depends on what one considers Christian.

What do YOU consider it takes to be a Christian?

Because alot of Christians would argue that "Evolution" as taught traditionally is not biblical nor can it be reconciled to the bible.

Some Christians say that a spherical, heliocentric sun cannot be reconciled with the Bible. Assuming you believe otherwise, does that make you somehow less Christian?

Then again are they really Christian? Or do they just claim the title?

I guess that depends on what you think it takes to be a Christian...

 

[Vance]

I agree with Mallon. Of course a Christian who accepts evolution will be a Theistic Evolutionist. And we TE's do, indeed, "accept evolution".

 

[savedandhappy1]

(CBS) (This poll was conducted November 18-21, 2004.)

Americans do not believe that humans evolved, and the vast majority says that even if they evolved, God guided the process. Just 13 percent say that God was not involved. But most would not substitute the teaching of creationism for the teaching of evolution in public schools.

Support for evolution is more heavily concentrated among those with more education and among those who attend religious services rarely or not at all.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/11/22/opinion/polls/main657083.shtml

 

[savedandhappy1]

Poll finds more Americans believe in devil than Darwin

Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:53pm GMT

By Ed Stoddard
DALLAS (Reuters Life!) - More Americans believe in a literal hell and the devil than Darwin's theory of evolution, according to a new Harris poll released on Thursday.
It is the latest survey to highlight America's deep level of religiosity, a cultural trait that sets it apart from much of the developed world.
It also helps explain many of its political battles which Europeans find bewildering, such as efforts to have "Intelligent Design" theory -- which holds life is too complex to have evolved by chance -- taught in schools alongside evolution.
The poll of 2,455 U.S. adults from Nov 7 to 13 found that 82 percent of those surveyed believed in God, a figure unchanged since the question was asked in 2005.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/lifestyleMolt/idUKN2922875820071129?sp=true

I guess I would have to disagree with your math, sorry.

 

[Tinker Grey]

All right, savedandhappy1, let's see if you can understand this:

For convenience, let's say that there are 300 million people in the USA. Let's say that 85% are professing Christians and 15% are atheists (note that I am giving the most advantageous numbers to savedandhappy1's position). We'll use the 40% value for the percentage of Americans that accept evolution.

40% of 300 million is 120 million people.

If all the atheists accept evolution, that means that 15% x 300 million is 45 million people.

So, 120 million - 45 million = 75 million. Who are those 75 million. Well, they are all Christians.

Ergo, there are more Christians in this country who accept evolution than there are atheists in total.

This means that if you randomly put a bunch of evolution accepters in a room and picked one, you'd have better than a 60% chance of getting a Christian.

Understand now?

It is true that there are 60% of Americans that don't believe in evolution ... and that was stated in the OP! That wasn't the point.

 

[Apollo Celestio]

Noted, but what's your point?

 

[savedandhappy1]

All right, savedandhappy1, let's see if you can understand this:

For convenience, let's say that there are 300 million people in the USA. Let's say that 85% are professing Christians and 15% are atheists (note that I am giving the most advantageous numbers to savedandhappy1's position). We'll use the 40% value for the percentage of Americans that accept evolution.

40% of 300 million is 120 million people.

If all the atheists accept evolution, that means that 15% x 300 million is 45 million people.

So, 120 million - 45 million = 75 million. Who are those 75 million. Well, they are all Christians.

Ergo, there are more Christians in this country who accept evolution than there are atheists in total.

This means that if you randomly put a bunch of evolution accepters in a room and picked one, you'd have better than a 60% chance of getting a Christian.

Understand now?

It is true that there are 60% of Americans that don't believe in evolution ... and that was stated in the OP! That wasn't the point.

WOW you would make a great canadate for either party, because you can twist something to make it look like it says something different/meaning wise that is and you are arrogant plus rude.

Have you ever noticed that when people think they are all that and a cupcake to that they just come out looking like a big pile of way to sugary icing?

No reason to post to you is there!

 

[Tinker Grey]

You said you disagreed with the OP's math. If you disagree with it, you don't understand it.

I had hoped that slightly altered numbers would make it easier to understand.

I fail to see how anything I said was rude. Nor did I twist anything.

 

[Mallon]

How did Tinker Grey twist your words, savedandhappy1?

 

[The Madcap]

Another interesting fact: There are more biologists named "Steve" (or stephen, esteban, or other variations) that believe in evolution than creationist scientists in general.

 

[The Madcap]

WOW you would make a great canadate for either party, because you can twist something to make it look like it says something different/meaning wise that is and you are arrogant plus rude.

Have you ever noticed that when people think they are all that and a cupcake to that they just come out looking like a big pile of way to sugary icing?

No reason to post to you is there!

Wow...It's not like this is politics. This is Mathematics. Not a whole lotta room for bias. Instead of just saying he's wrong, prove it.

 

[savedandhappy1]

How did Tinker Grey twist your words, savedandhappy1?

Didn't say he twisted my words.

 

[savedandhappy1]

Wow...It's not like this is politics. This is Mathematics. Not a whole lotta room for bias. Instead of just saying he's wrong, prove it.

Hmmmmmmmmm, didnt' I post other stats? Showing that what he was saying wasn't the whole picture.

Wasn't he using his stats to try and say that his stats prove that Christians are as a whole the ones pushing and or proving evolution?

You really don't think that math can be used for bias? The math might be correct, but is it presented in such a way that it make the picture different then what it really is?