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Is moshing okay?

  • No, it is not Christ-like

  • Maybe

  • I don't see why not

  • I'm not sure yet in my faith


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TheMainException

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I am a Christian....but I really enjoy moshing at concerts....I've been to Creation...and we do it there....is it really a Christian thing to do? We are all real nice about it and pick each other up when we fall, we keep are fists and elbows down...we aren't out to hurt, just to really get the angst out...is it okay?
 

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I really like the band Disciple from Tennessee. I've talked with them several times, been to four concerts, have all their music, etc. Very Godly men, but don't care for the moshing. It may start innocent or whatever, but it doesn't take much to get emotions going and agressions flare up. Becareful. Something so innocent can become rage filled very quickly.
 
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I find it very interesting that the ones who don't like it are the older ones.....that sparks my interest greatly......older and wiser? Could be.....anyway.....I don't really care for your own opinion as much as I want to know whether or not it is God-like...so...if possible...take your opinion and form it a bit more from God perspective if you can....cause I have a hard time with the straight up opinions of people, especially since I can get those same opinions from my family members who throw negativity at me all day long and care nothing for whether it is enjoyable or not...my question is...is it okay with God?
 
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The word says not to fulfill the lusts of the flesh but to walk in the Spirit. We're to worship God in *Spirit* and in truth. It's a matter of being led by the Spirit of Jesus Christ who lives IN you. Listen to HIS voice and no other. Search the scriptures for yourself and see if these things be so... just like the Bereans, in Acts.



(Gal 5:18) But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.

(Gal 5:19) Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality,

(Gal 5:20) idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions,

(Gal 5:21) envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

(Gal 5:22) But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,

(Gal 5:23) gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.

(Gal 5:24) Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

(Gal 5:25) If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit.

(Gal 5:26) Let us not become boastful, challenging one another, envying one another.



Does moshing display the fruit of the Spirit? Is it gentle? Is there self control? These are the things you need to ask yourself and talk to the Lord about.
 
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Many of us try to manipulate God's Word for our fleshly benefit. Fact: Moshing is not worship, as worship is to be done in spirit and in truth (John 4:24). Is it ok? Don't be surprised if many Christians frown on it as it may be culturally considered "worldly". Do you really want to defend moshing or the gospel? Do you want to be persecuted for moshing or for defending God's Word, preaching God's Word, etc.? I won't try and mold anyone, let the Word of God convict you of culturally based activities. Just because it's not in there, doesn't mean it's condoned. There are many things that were frowned upon in scripture that had to do with culture and were considered worldly.
 
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I don't see how it could be called "worship" in any meaningful sense. And aren't we meant to worship God according to the way he tells us to?

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we aren't out to hurt, just to really get the angst out...is it okay?

That might be a problem. Are there better ways of getting the angst out?
 
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When dealing with angst, I'm not sure there's any *good* way to get it out besides prayer if you're going to frown on moshing. If letting a some energy out when you're in control and respecting the people around you is bad, I'm not sure what could be good. Only when you stop doing those two things does it become bad, and if you find that you can't mosh while keeping control of yourself and respecting others, don't mosh. But if you can keep control of yourself and watch out not to really hurt anybody, I fail to see the sin in that.

Besides, who was ever arguing that moshing is worship? It would be no more or less worship than maintaining a good witness at work and treating people well at church. People will either see God or they will see flesh in that pit. If you're going to mosh, people should see God.
 
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Hmm...maybe this should get moved to the debate forum....ah, no.....I sought your opinions and was foolish to do so....I believe you've warped what I've said......at no time did I EVER conclude that this was in any way related to any worshipful act to God...moshing is for personal purposes only....hurts happen...they can be accidental or purposeful. But when it comes to moshing.....in the mosh pits that I've been in...it hasn't been to hurt each other.....it's simply a form of dancing, a bit more wild than what you all consider actual dancing....but the fact is...if you've ever been in a real mosh pit....that it's not to hurt someone as much as it is to dance in a way that feels the muzik and the other people.....to get hot and sweaty with a bunch of other people and at no point ever be doing anything wrong.....it's not really to ever be doing something dangerous...I got hurt sure...but that's cause I have no balance and I stood on the outside to catch my breathe and was dumb (as it was my first time ) about it...I fell and got hurt.....but they picked me up and brushed me off and showed me to the med tent to get my bloody knee fixed up (stones are nasty stuff to land on)....but then I went back later and moshed and they held me in high esteem for being able to live with the pain and come back to the fun....it's fun....it's not trying to hurt people....I can tell that most of you who reject this don't know what moshing is about at all.....it HAS to have self control...if you don't, you'll get busted out of their so fast you won't know what happened. I don't see it as a sin...and I don't see something like this as ever being damaging to my walk with God...I actually made some really cool friends in the mosh pit and began to minister to them later...as they really didn't know God as well as I did and we talked for about 2 hours.....Who ever said that racket ball was WORSHIP??? Whoever said EATING FOOD was worship? If I have fun...am I sinning? In some cases yes...in many others, no.....so please.....tell me....is it okay?
 
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LAWise520 said:
at no time did I EVER conclude that this was in any way related to any worshipful act to God...

I believe worship is a lifestyle not a type of music, church service or specific act. Yes, it can be those things as well however, the dictionary also describes worship as honouring, loving and being devoted to a diety. Therefore everything we do should honour God, we should love Him and show our love and devotion in everything. We should worship Him at all times.
 
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Blue Impulse said:
You keep asking over and over, if its ok. And many people keep telling you over and over that they don't see that it is ok. You asked, and they answered. But you keep asking.. that says one thing: You don't want us to tell you if its ok or not. You simply want us to tell you "Yeah its ok, go ahead and do it." You don't WANT to hear that maybe its not ok..

Basically you are going to do what you want regardless of what we say, you are basically looking for justification for your actions, and that is not the proper motivation to ask a question. You have to be open to all points of view, the positive and the negative. If you are only going to do what you wanted to do anyway, then there is no point in asking.

Star is correct.. worship is a lifestyle. And *everything* we do should honor God. God does'nt turn his back at any second of the day. He isn't just watching during Church or when we pray.. He is eternally watching us in life. All your actions, your words, your behavior, should be honoring God. And sometimes we don't act in accordance with that standard, and thats ok because we make mistakes, we make poor judgement. And we have a forgiving God. But the question is when we do something that doesn't necessarily honor God, are we willing to recognize when we need to give it up? Or are we gonna do it anyway just because it feels good, and just ignore God.

We can't tell you what to do. We can only give an opinion or state scripture from the Bible, which also usually accompanies a person's opinion.

If you are truly looking for an answer to your question, weigh everyone's opinions and information equally. If you are going to only do what you want anyway, your post is irrelevant, and so are the answers you have received.

Did you ever think that the answer to prayers or to asking a question of God could come in the form of other human beings answering you? Think about that.. God doesn't answer us always with a big booming voice from the Heavens. He does so in other ways.. through our lives, through the people in our lives, He answers. Listen to everyone, weigh people's thoughts and actions and how they relate to you. If you are going to ask anything of God, or of another human being, you must be open to everything that is said and done towards getting you an answer.

God does not always give us favorable answers, He gives us truthful ones. So also, when you ask something of God, make sure you are open to His guidance as well.. because sometimes when we feel God disapproves of something in our lives, we also have a tendency to ignore it and do what we want anyway.

I'm not saying who is right and who is wrong with this post, I'm just saying you need to weigh every single piece of information, instead of simply looking for justification.

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Right, but we need to limit our "right and wrong" descisions to those that have a Biblical basis. Mosh pits aren't for everyone, but neither is football. Some people may not see "gentleness" but others see a strong expression of "joy." I think it's best to leave moshing where it belongs, in Romans 14 territory.
 
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Blue Impulse.....I am not try to bash you....I have had fitful life and do not blame my entire angry personality on that (no, I blame that on my dad...kidding....kidding...) but football is the same...yet there is a goal in mind....but then...mix football and dance and you have moshing....I do not believe you are from the world where moshing is liked...you seem to me to not really understand the essence of moshing...that is fine...not everyone needs to like the things I like (and I prefer it that way...cause that means overcrowded concerts and such! lol)....I respect your opinions, all of them....but what I was seeing was people saying "i don't really like moshing" and junk like that...and that was not stuff I cared to hear, cause really...I don't give a darn whether you LIKE it or not....that doesn't matter to me...what I want to know is whether it's okay to do....as far as I'm seeing an answer....I'm not seeing one....I'm seeing...it's not worshipful, I'm seeing, "go ahead, mosh away"....personally...the question might be worded quite badly.....whatever the reason.....It matters little.....:yawn:
 
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