Moses took a bath...

[pdudgeon]

An ingenious example of speech and politics occurred recently in the United Nations Assembly
and made the world community smile.

A representative from Israel began:
'Before beginning my talk I want to tell you something about Moses:
When he struck the rock and it brought forth water, he thought,
"What a good opportunity to have a bath!"

Moses removed his clothes, put them aside on the rock and entered the water.
When he got out and wanted to dress, his clothes had vanished.
A Palestinian had stolen them!

The Palestinian representative at the UN jumped up furiously and
shouted, "What are you talking about? The Palestinians weren't there then."

The Israeli representative smiled and said,
"And now that we have made that clear, I will begin my speech."

 

[Genersis]

Not sure the relevancy.
Or why it is funny.

Probably not true either.

The situation is grim between Israel and Palestine, the suffering immense.
Palestinians do not need ridicule at a time like this.
Personally, I'd rather junk like this wasn't posted, but it is your freedom to do so.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

Genersis,

I didn't take it as her making fun of dead Palestinians. Since you brought it up, there are also dead innocent Israeli civilians. But her post wasn't about those who have died in the recent conflict. It was about the history of the debate over who should have claim to the area. And I see her attempt at humor as taking a break from focusing on the doom and gloom of the situation.

 

[Genersis]

Exactly, people are dying from direct and indirect combat, as well as from a severe lack of supplies, Palestinian civilians especially so, and yet some poke fun at the Palestinian claim to the land of which they reside for "fun" to lighten the mood.

Okay, humour is subjective, and I'm sure this is hilarious to some; but that is very much in bad taste in my opinion.

 

[AMDG]

So it took a fabrication to have the truth admitted--that there WERE no Palestinians in the land in ancient times.

Seems that just realizing history (that the Palestinians are Arab-Muslims and Mohammed, the founder of the Islam religion, wasn't born until about 570 A.D.) Gee, if that was remembered, just think of all the lives that could have been saved because there WOULD be no conflict over who was the original inhabitant on the land.

 

[football5680]

There is a Muslim tradition told about Moses that is similar to this and it is pretty funny and weird. They say that Moses did not take baths around the other Israelites so a rumor was going around that he was deformed or something. So one day Moses went off by himself to bathe and put his clothes on a rock. The Rock took his clothes and Moses chased after is saying bring back my clothes. When he caught up to it he began to beat the rock so hard that it left marks. The other Israelites saw him naked and there was nothing wrong with him so Allah basically put the rumor to rest.

A lot of the Muslim traditions come from earlier Christian or Jewish sources so I'm not sure if this tradition existed before Islam.

 

[MikeK]

I didn't take it as her making fun of dead Palestinians. Since you brought it up, there are also dead innocent Israeli civilians.

Since you brought it up, how many Israeli civilians has Hamas killed this year? How many Palestinian civilians has Israel killed this year? What is the proportion of Israeli civilians killed to Palestinian civilians killed?

 

[LivingWordUnity]

Since you brought it up, how many Israeli civilians has Hamas killed this year? How many Palestinian civilians has Israel killed this year? What is the proportion of Israeli civilians killed to Palestinian civilians killed?

It should be worded in the following way: How many Israeli civilians did Hamas kill this year? And how many Palestinian human shields did Hamas use when firing rockets at Israel this year? When people blame Israel for Hamas using human shields it encourages Hamas to keep doing it.

 

[pdudgeon]

let's see.....how does that go again? Oh yea.....

Don't covet.

so why can't we have a Jewish state and a Palestinian state? Isn't there enough land in the Middle East for this to happen?

So why can't these Muslim countries carve out some land of theirs for a Palestinian state and save some lives in doing so. Take a hint from the U. S. and invite the Palestinians to your country. Hey, if it works for Obama it works for everyone, right?

(There is enough land, of course, but that would be too easy an answer.)

 

[AMDG]

Back when the British protectorate was divided, the two state solution WAS supposed to solve it all. The Jews living there were offered part of the land and the Arab-Muslims were offered the other half. The Jews accepted. The Arab-Muslims did not and the land reserved for them was annexed by the neighboring Muslim countries (how does one THINK those nations got so big?) Then in 1948, again in 1967 and even again in 1973 those BIG Muslim countries ganged up on tiny Israel and tried to destroy the country and take the tiny sliver of oil less waste land from the Jews. (I guess they were hoping for genocide of the Jewish people.) We got to see David vs Goliath all over again (several times) and David won as usual.

BTW, the Israelis STILL want a two state solution, Israel just needs, as the U.N. Resolution 242 stated, new defensible borders in order for there to be a lasting peace--the attacks against Israel prove it. (The Jordan-rift valley would provide those "new defensible borders". It is also part of the historical homeland of the Jewish people.)

 

[LoAmmi]

so why can't we have a Jewish state and a Palestinian state? Isn't there enough land in the Middle East for this to happen?

There should be. The problem is that the two sides won't come to any sort of agreement about where the lines should be. The Palestinians want more than Israel is willing to give up and Israel is pretty set in not giving up much. So, we're at an impasse.

 

[AMDG]

Yes, the Arab-Muslims DO want more than Israel wants to give up. They want the Jewish people DEAD and for Israel "to be pushed into the sea". As Israel has discovered over the years, the question is not about land. (Israel has given up the land areas that it has fairly won several times in return for peace and even afterward, there was no peace.) Right now the Arab-Muslims don't even want to admit that Israel has a right to exist!