Mormonism

[Filia Mariae]

I had one try to convert me but my mad apologetic skillz sent him running far, far away....

Or perhaps it was just your dorkiness

(ducking and running......)

 

[Epiphanygirl]

Mormons believe that, while the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in essence are God, they aren't of the same substance. Thus, each is its own deity

Mormons believe that very few people will go to hell. Those who do will be there only temporarily, for once they've done their time, they ascend to the lesser of the three heavens. Only the worst of the worst stay in hell for eternity.

They believe in three heavenly kingdoms. The lowest is ruled by the Holy Spirit and is basically for righteous non-Christians, non-repentent Christians, and those who've done their time in hell. The second kingdom is ruled by the Son, Jesus of Nazareth. It is populated mainly by non-Mormon Christians. The highest and third heaven is ruled by the Father, and is home to Mormons and exceptional non-Mormon Christians. The greatest of these are Mormons who've married a fellow Mormon in a temple ceremony, whom are blessed to become gods.

Mormons believe that, if two Mormons are married at a temple ceremony, lived according to the rules of the faith, and die, they will be granted deityhood by the Father, and become gods and goddesses of their own worlds.

Mormons believe that the Father was once a mortal man.

Mormons believe that, if they "baptize the dead" by proxy, they've given that soul the chance to accept their "gospel." If the soul accepts the "truth," they are able to zip right to the highest heaven.

Hope this helps!

Yep, this is why they go around collecting geneology information. They go around to cemeteries and rebaptize family members of those who have joined their church
I saw this strange show on them, I can't remember the name. It talked about their "practices" such as the underwear, the secret handshake in the veil, the wearing of the fig leaves in temple marriage, etc.. It was very disturbing.

 

[Benedicta00]

Actually one of my very first visitors when I moved in here last month was Mormons and I told the two young people that they didn’t have shot with me because I am one of the few Catholics they will meet who knows their faith well and they were silly enough to ask me if I knew the names and addresses of non knowledgeable Catholics who they could evangelize. I just said, 'no, I do not' but was thinking as if I would send you over to evangelize them.

 

[Benedicta00]

Why don't you just live the life like you should as a devout Catholic Christian and let Christ do the rest.

Abortions and devil worship is perverse. I have yet to be presented with anything that is perverse within Mormonism.

Although they try to make a very moral example, they are a very perverse religion more so, I dare say, than Islam. They contain no truth at all. They won't kill people who disagree with Mormonism but they pervert the truth to an amazing extent- you can't call them Christian- not even a God based religion. They are not heretics either for you have to be Catholic/Christian in order to be a formal or material heretic. They are just people who believe in a completely different religion, there are no Jewish roots, there are no Christian roots.

 

[IamKennySe]

John the Bpatist appeared before John Smith and his buddy Crowley when the two men were praying in the woods.
John the Baptist conferred the Aaronic priesthood on the two men and left.
Each man then baptized the other.

 

[Credo]

My question is, do you believe that Joseph really saw a spirit named Moroni and really got Gold Plates?

I think he did, that he really did see an angel (or what he thought was an angel) and he really got the Golden Plates that would become the Book of Mormon.

What do you think?

My honest opinion on Joseph Smith is quite simple. The man was a charasmatic charlatan from the get-go that would do anything to dupe people into giving him money and power. He had a history of telling wild and fabulous tales from the time he was a small child and also had a history of cheating folks out of their money. He was arrested and fined for "gold-digging". Joseph had what he called a "seer stone" which he used to con people into thinking they had gold buried on their property. They'd pay him for his services and he'd skip town while they fervently dug for the gold he told them he could "see" through the stone.

He got into the religion business because he saw it as big bucks and a way to amass power. Tele-vangelists probably learned alot from him. People believed what he said and his ego thrived on it. The longer things went on, the more outlandish and wild his prophesies and visions became. He even convinced people that God told him to take more than one wife - and that they should too.

As far as the Golden Plates go, he was the only one that could claim to actually see and touch them. No one else around him had actually seen anything. They claimed to have "seen them in the spirit" after trips to the woods with Joseph in prayer. No one saw them with the naked eye nor hefted them with their hands. Just imagine how heavy these plates of gold would have been in the first place! Not to mention that many parts of the so-called Book of Mormon are plagarized directly from the early editions of the KJV Bible, including errors in translation that the KJV contained.

In "translating" the Book of Mormon, Joseph would do one of two things: 1 - put his "seer" stone into a hat and bury his face in the hat and dictate what he saw; 2 - go behind a curtain alone and dictate to others outside the curtain. Check out Translation or Divination? So much for translating from Golden Pages. I personally don't think there were any gold plates at all. I think he was a cheat that built a huge heretical empire that has been the downfall of many good, honest people.

For more info, check out Mormons in Transition.

JMJ

 

[NDIrish]

I saw this strange show on them, I can't remember the name. It talked about their "practices" such as the underwear, the secret handshake in the veil, the wearing of the fig leaves in temple marriage, etc.. It was very disturbing.

OK, I got some news for ya...If I had to wear a fig leaf at my wedding, I'd still be single...

 

[Dominus Fidelis]

Or perhaps it was just your dorkiness

(ducking and running......)

That is a more realistic possibility!

 

[Epiphanygirl]

OK, I got some news for ya...If I had to wear a fig leaf at my wedding, I'd still be single...

ROFL!!!!

 

[Filia Mariae]

OK, I got some news for ya...If I had to wear a fig leaf at my wedding, I'd still be single...

 

[Dominus Fidelis]

I have yet to be presented with anything that is perverse within Mormonism.

So its not perverse to have multiple wives?

Its not perverse to say the Holy Spirit used Mary like something I am not even going to utter in the same sentence as Our Lady?

 

[Miss Shelby]

Let them have their faith. Everyone thinks Catholics are looney too.

They can have their faith, it's when they come knocking on my door that I want to have mine.

Being informed of doctrinal differences and how to answer people is different than proseltyzing them (or trying to) away from their own faith.

Michelle

 

[Credo]

They can have their faith, it's when they come knocking on my door that I want to have mine.

Being informed of doctrinal differences and how to answer people is different than proseltyzing them (or trying to) away from their own faith.

Michelle

Their biggest target are Catholics. Most Catholics these days sadly don't know their faith and make for easy targets that fall for the blaphemous and non-Christian doctrines professed by Mormonism. What is the official position of the Catholic Church in Mormon Doctrine?

[Under the heading, "Church of the Devil," Apostle Bruce R. McConkie lists:] "The Roman Catholic Church specifically—singled out, set apart, described, and designated as being ‘most abominable above all other churches’ (I Ne. 13:5)" (Mormon Doctrine, 1958, 129)

 

[Miss Shelby]

[Under the heading, "Church of the Devil," Apostle Bruce R. McConkie lists:] "The Roman Catholic Church specifically—singled out, set apart, described, and designated as being ‘most abominable above all other churches’ (I Ne. 13:5)" (Mormon Doctrine, 1958, 129)

Wow. I did not know this was an official part of their teachings.

Michelle

 

[AMDG]

Wow. I did not know this was an official part of their teachings.

Yep--it's commonly believed. One missionary (right before he asked me to be baptized Mormon) insisted that if the Catholic Church had not "fallen away", there would be no NEED for the Mormon church to have been founded. Previous Mormon leaders have spoken very harshly against the Catholic Church and called Protestant churches "her daughters." And Protestant ministers used to be portrayed as "hirelings of the devil" in their endowment ceremonies. (Think it's finally been taken out.) Of course, the regular members of the Mormon Church will say that they are very ecumenical, and don't say bad things about other religions. The Cognizant Dissonance amazes me.

 

[nyj]

What is the official position of the Catholic Church in Mormon Doctrine?

Not Christian.

 

[ProCommunioneFacior]

Their biggest target are Catholics. Most Catholics these days sadly don't know their faith and make for easy targets that fall for the blaphemous and non-Christian doctrines professed by Mormonism. What is the official position of the Catholic Church in Mormon Doctrine?

[Under the heading, "Church of the Devil," Apostle Bruce R. McConkie lists:] "The Roman Catholic Church specifically—singled out, set apart, described, and designated as being ‘most abominable above all other churches’ (I Ne. 13:5)" (Mormon Doctrine, 1958, 129)

Yep, and that is why a large percentage of their missionary activity is in South America, especially Chile.

 

[Carrye]

[Under the heading, "Church of the Devil," Apostle Bruce R. McConkie lists:] "The Roman Catholic Church specifically—singled out, set apart, described, and designated as being ‘most abominable above all other churches’ (I Ne. 13:5)" (Mormon Doctrine, 1958, 129)

Well they're just going to have to take a number then. There are many other (Christian) groups who claim the same thing. But the gates of the netherworld will never prevail against His Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church!

 

[Annabel Lee]

Why don't you just live the life like you should as a devout Catholic Christian and let Christ do the rest.

Agreed.

I may disagree with some of their theology, but not anymore than I do with certain 'accepted' Christian denominations.

The Calvinist God, the belief that God predestines souls to eternal torment and the idea that God HATES. Those are dangerous, perverse and frightening beliefs.

Don't sweat the small stuff, their is an enemy out there and it's not the LDS church.

 

[Miss Shelby]

Not Christian.

Whichs is a far cry from this:

The Roman Catholic Church specifically—singled out, set apart, described, and designated as being ‘most abominable above all other churches’ (I Ne. 13:5)" (Mormon Doctrine, 1958, 129)

Michelle