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*Sigh* We've been over this many times--Another mischaracterization by you Jane. Shame on you! The Nicene Creed is based on Scripture, so they cannot be "extra-scriptural". And the lds has 13 Articles of Faith, which is your own "non-Scriptural" creed.
*Sigh* We've been over this many times--
Your statement about the Nicene Creed is false as the it extrapolates beyond scripture in it's statement about God's substance, hence extra-scriptural.
Your statement about the LDS Articles of Faith is also false as we do view them as part of scripture.
None of the Canonical scriptures of the Mormon Church has reference to a 'Heavenly Mother'. So from a scriptural standpoint, it is not taught.It would be helpful if you could respond to what I actually said. I specifically stated that Mormons believe that Jesus is the literal spirit son of Heavenly Father and His spouse, Heavenly Mother. Please read posts carefully prior to responding.
Explain to me then, how you can have 1 God in 3 Persons? or 3 Persons in 1 God?? If that is not the case let me know. The Triune God is 3 in 1 or 1 in 3.Huh? Who believes that Jesus shares his body with 2 other Persons? Not me, and not Trinitarians.
As well, I don't think any Christian here is attempting to show equivalence or agreement between us and Mormons, which defeats your attempt here. And finally, if you are attempting to critique our beliefs, best you actually state what we actually believe, and not your caricature. It doesn't help your case.
Jesus the best example of the human being, for these reasons:When I read this and compare it to Scripture, it doesn't jibe in my mind.
Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
Matthew 11:11 Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet whoever is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
Matthew 18:4 Therefore, whoever takes the lowly position of this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
Luke 9:48 Then he said to them, “Whoever welcomes this little child in my name welcomes me; and whoever welcomes me welcomes the one who sent me. For it is the one who is least among you all who is the greatest.”
Seems mormonism is all about making themselves better to achieve better status and being "the most". Christianity, and the kingdom of heaven as described in Scripture, are all about humbling themselves and being the "least".
None of the Canonical scriptures of the Mormon Church has reference to a 'Heavenly Mother'. So from a scriptural standpoint, it is not taught.
However, there are prophets and apostles and other members of the church who have expressed their own personal opinions that behind the scenes, guarded by scriptural silence to protect the integrity of a 'Heavenly Mother', there is a 'Heavenly Mother'.
When we have lessons on the Godhead, the idea of Heavenly Mother being a part of that Godhead is never brought up or debated. When we study 'the spirit of man', there usually is discussion, because someone always has a personal opinion that there is a Heavenly Mother, involved in how the spirits of all men were organized. We believe the spirit has always existed, they are eternal, but my personal belief is that it takes a Heavenly Father and a Heavenly Mother to organize that spirit with all of its capacities to progress.
Colossians 1:15 and Revelations 3:14 tell us that Jesus was the first 'creation' of God. The word 'creation' is perhaps not the best word to use in this case because 'creation' to you has come to mean 'out of nothing', which is a false premise. The spirit of Jesus has always existed, it is co-eternal with God the Father. But it is through a process that we are not privy to that God the Father and Heavenly Mother bring to pass the full capacity of the spirit and its intelligence and give it what is neccesary to progress. Jesus was the first of this spirit organization. Lucifer was one of the first, if not the second. That is why we Mormons do not deny that Jesus and lucifer were one time very close brothers and very close to the throne of God. Obviously, lucifer went sideways and caused a war in heaven, and Jesus remained faithful and the rest is history.
You are right, most of the time I do not get this deep into the discussion on the first discussion about the Godhead. You have to learn line upon line, and precept upon precept, in order to come to understand the wonders of the history of God and mankind.
I have taught hundreds of people this way, and hundreds have accepted the gospel and are good members of the church. They have accepted the process of understanding the true nature of the Godhead and the true nature of man, and they love it when it is all layed out for them. Some do not, and reject it immediately, some accept and later when their pastors tell them what they think is the truth, they turn away. Some stay true and stalwart to the end.
Explain to me then, how you can have 1 God in 3 Persons? or 3 Persons in 1 God?? If that is not the case let me know. The Triune God is 3 in 1 or 1 in 3.
Try to explain how you think the Triune God is made up of?
I will let you try to articulate how you think the Triune God can be 1 God in 3 Persons or 3 Persons in 1 God. Thanks.
Actually, the AoF's been included *in* scripture, so...
Yes, we have been over this many times. And each time you have demonstrated you are unwilling to understand, especially about God's substance.*Sigh* We've been over this many times--
Your statement about the Nicene Creed is false as the it extrapolates beyond scripture in it's statement about God's substance, hence extra-scriptural.
Your statement about the LDS Articles of Faith is also false as we do view them as part of scripture.
None of the Canonical scriptures of the Mormon Church has reference to a 'Heavenly Mother'. So from a scriptural standpoint, it is not taught.
However, there are prophets and apostles and other members of the church who have expressed their own personal opinions that behind the scenes, guarded by scriptural silence to protect the integrity of a 'Heavenly Mother', there is a 'Heavenly Mother'.
There's that lds lust for power...Jesus the best example of the human being, for these reasons:
1) He was the most powerful human that ever lived on the earth.
2) He was the most intelligent human that ever lived on the earth.
3) He was the most articulate person to ever speak on the earth.
4) He was the most knowledgeable person that ever lived on the earth.
5) He was the most kind....
6) He was the most humble...
7) He was the most.....
Jesus is the example, we want to be like Jesus in all aspects of what Jesus was the most of. Do you agree? But let's start with the humble, and kind, and meek, which leads to righteousness, and holiness, which leads to knowledgeable, intelligent, and powerful.
Did you not read the posts we wrote about how the New Testament *IS* inspired?Since it is obvious from these posts that they dont believe the NT to be fully inspired...
We put all scripture on the same status. Not to pick one book over another... would you raise Corinthians higher than Ephesians?Anytime you exalt the book of mormon to equal status with the bible......
That's a complete straw man.Might as well be reading the Koran as equal with the Bible
If you would like to talk about things, then let's talk! I would gladly do so! But I can't converse with ridiculous straw mans or when my comments are ignored.There is no foundation for a solid debate.......
Equal. Scripture is the scripture. You don't raise Corinthians higher than Ephesians, for example.You are exalting the Book of Mormon to equal or greater status with the Bible...
Apostles are equal with other apostles, prophets with other prophets. You don't raise John higher than Paul, for example.YOu are exalting Joseph Smith to equal status with the apostles.......
And there are no Muslims on this thread, so this is an irrelevant straw man. Just because LDS acknowledge the existence of some holy books and prophets (just as you do), doesn't mean either of us automatically accept any supposed book or prophet. There is a discernment process here.That is the issue...
Thats why I said it is the same as Islam
THey say Mohamed was a prophet of God
THey claim the Koran to be inspired by God
Corinthians vs EphesiansThe 2 questions are
1. Bible vs book of mormon
2. Joseph smith vs. authority of the apostles
And you are welcome to believe that and have you opinion. I disagree with that opinion, but still you can have it. But if we're both just going to state opinions, that just leaves us agree to disagree.I am saying joseph smith was not a prophet of God
And the book of mormon did not come from God
Yes, we have been over this many times. And each time you have demonstrated you are unwilling to understand, especially about God's substance.
Do you really want to add words to the bible??
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