LDS Mormon: There is only one way to know God...

[mmksparbud]

Yes there are many members of the SDA that do work on Saturdays and get paid to do so:

"I was curious, I am a Seventh-Day Adventist and am struggling with the concept of working on Sabbath when your job, whether it be being a cop, firefighter, or someone else who is saving a life. The Bible is not always black and white and even though the Ten Commandments DO say to rest on the seventh day from all your labors, there are other instances in the Bible where helping others during time of rest are the right thing to do. What about those Nicu babies??? What about those who need constant care??? I would like input from a spiritual standpoint on how you all respect your Sabbaths and do it as a nurse."

From: Seventh Day Adventist and working on Sabbath???

I quite worrying about it---I worked, got paid, whatever I earned on the Sabbath, I gave to the church. No problem.

 

[Rescued One]

1 John 2:3 says nothing about Mormon ordinances and commandments. That is why Mormons use it to deflect from their requirements that supposedly enable people to know God.

These are the Mormon requirements:
Mormon: There is only one way to know God...

John 17:3
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

Are the Mormon gods our true God? Absolutely not!

Did God tell us to follow Joseph Smith? Absolutely not!

2 Timothy 3:16
14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

They can't defend their false teachings. They can't convince us to go after other gods.

2 Timothy 3
13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

 

[Goodhuman]

You believe in repentance, right?

That people should be working to be better day by day?

Тhrough your repentance you pray to God to forgive your sins. But this not means you are sinless and never commited this sins. God and angels are sinless and never commited a single sin.
I believe you progress until the moment you are born again. Then you are received everything you can receive and had become everything you can become.

 

[Ironhold]

I believe you progress until the moment you are born again. Then you are received everything you can receive and had become everything you can become.

So "Once Saved, Always Saved", that it doesn't matter what you do next as you've got that one-way ticket to Heaven?

 

[drstevej]

So "Once Saved, Always Saved", that it doesn't matter what you do next as you've got that one-way ticket to Heaven?

Nope, we have a Heavenly Father who disciplines His wayward kids.

 

[Goodhuman]

So "Once Saved, Always Saved", that it doesn't matter what you do next as you've got that one-way ticket to Heaven?

After you become born again, you become heavenly being. You are transformed to it. There is no way to be transformed back to ordinary human. Also heavenly beings can't fall or sin. You become worthy to be in God's side and you are completely changed. You start to think differently, good. You become good. According to bible born again humans can't sin.

Verses:

We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

 

[He is the way]

After you become born again, you become heavenly being. You are transformed to it. There is no way to be transformed back to ordinary human. Also heavenly beings can't fall or sin. You become worthy to be in God's side and you are completely changed. You start to think differently, good. You become good. According to bible born again humans can't sin.

Verses:

We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

(New Testament | Romans 6:1 - 18)

1 WHAT shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

 

[Ironhold]

After you become born again, you become heavenly being. You are transformed to it. There is no way to be transformed back to ordinary human. Also heavenly beings can't fall or sin. You become worthy to be in God's side and you are completely changed. You start to think differently, good. You become good. According to bible born again humans can't sin.

So a person is "saved" until they sin, then they were never really saved to begin with?

 

[BigDaddy4]

So a person is "saved" until they sin, then they were never really saved to begin with?

If one does not forgive another person for a trespass, do they lose their salvation?

 

[Goodhuman]

(New Testament | Romans 6:1 - 18)

1 WHAT shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

This is not related to what I said.

 

[He is the way]

This is not related to what I said.

This is not related to what I said.

There are those who are truly born again and do not sin and there are those who believe they are born again and are under grace that fall from grace through sin:

(New Testament | 2 Peter 2:20 - 22)

20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

 

[Rescued One]

"Born again" means one thing to Protestants and something entirely different to Mormons.

“Because of the covenant which ye have made ye shall be called the children of Christ, his sons, and his daughters; for behold, this day he hath spiritually begotten you; for ye say that your hearts are changed through faith on his name; therefore, ye are born of him and have become his sons and his daughters.”
Mosiah 5:7

The spiritual rebirth described in this verse typically does not occur quickly or all at once; it is an ongoing process—not a single event. Line upon line and precept upon precept, gradually and almost imperceptibly, our motives, our thoughts, our words, and our deeds become aligned with the will of God. This phase of the transformation process requires time, persistence, and patience.
David A. Bednar, Ye Must Be Born Again, General Conference, April 2007

They have changed definitions over the years.