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Mormon - Adventist connection

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While studying SDA History I noticed that the Early Adventist were stationed in Rochester NY for 3 or 4 years. This just happens to be in the exact same place that Jospeph smith was in years earlier. I wonder if the SDA and LDS crossed paths at any point while in Rochester? Does anyone know anything about it?
 

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While studying SDA History I noticed that the Early Adventist were stationed in Rochester NY for 3 or 4 years. This just happens to be in the exact same place that Jospeph smith was in years earlier. I wonder if the SDA and LDS crossed paths at any point while in Rochester? Does anyone know anything about it?

I don't know anything about this.

But I'm curious as to why it would it matter to you?
 
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I don't know anything about this.

But I'm curious as to why it would it matter to you?


why would you think something was up? you are insuating something.
 
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A cut-and-paste from my post on the 2300 days...

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We know the Devil waged wars on Reformation with great measures.

The Jesuit order was founded to counter-act the reformation.
Jesuit inspired Futurism and preterism to divert people from biblical interpretation of prophecies.
Renaissance and Medici learning(secular learning) were introduced to complete with bible learning.

In the 1700s, the effort intensified.

Freemasonry was established.
Meritorious Order of Rosy Cross or Rosicrucian was established.
Order of Illuminati was established by Jesuit priest Adam Weinshaupt.
The Jacobin Club was founded, later called the League of Just.
Illuminati’s planned, financed and orchestrated the French Revolution where God and the bible were thrown out and goddess of Reason and Liberty was worshipped.

The year 1844 was particularly interesting. No other year in history where so many important historical events took place.

1842, Karl Marx joined the Jacobin Club.
1844, Karl Marx started writing the Manifesto of Communism. Published in 1846.
1844, Sinaitic Text was ‘discovered’ at Mt. Sinai in the monastery of St. Catherine church. Sinaitic Text or Codex Sinaitic is the foundation of all modern (corrupt) translations.
1844, PersianProphet The Báb announces His revelation, founding Bábism. He announced to the world of the coming of "He whom God shall make manifest." The Baha’i Faith (another Luciferianism) advocates unity of religions. The Baha’i Faith is upheld as the moral standard of United Nations.
1844, Influential North AmericanfraternityDelta Kappa Epsilon is founded at Yale University.
1844, During a meeting held in Nauvoo, the Quorum of Twelve, headed by Brigham Young, is created as the leading body of the Mormon Church.
1844, Charles Darwin began writing the ‘mystery of mysteries’: The Origin of Species.


We can see something definitely happened in 1844 because the Devil put up great effort to counteract it.
 
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The reason I posted this is because PBS ran a new series on the Mormons entitled "Mormons" it was very good. there are many paralles is structure and thinking. Not necessarily in theology but in culture and problems.

They think of themselves as the true chruch
We think of our selves as the true chruch

The have a prophet
we have a prophet

They have people questioning their prophet
We have people questioning our prophet.

They believe in health
We believe in health

They are mission oriented
We are mission oriented

we are not exactly the same obviously, but enough similaritys exists that I can see us in them
 
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A cut-and-paste from my post on the 2300 days...

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We know the Devil waged wars on Reformation with great measures.

The Jesuit order was founded to counter-act the reformation.
Jesuit inspired Futurism and preterism to divert people from biblical interpretation of prophecies.
Renaissance and Medici learning(secular learning) were introduced to complete with bible learning.

In the 1700s, the effort intensified.

Freemasonry was established.
Meritorious Order of Rosy Cross or Rosicrucian was established.
Order of Illuminati was established by Jesuit priest Adam Weinshaupt.
The Jacobin Club was founded, later called the League of Just.
Illuminati’s planned, financed and orchestrated the French Revolution where God and the bible were thrown out and goddess of Reason and Liberty was worshipped.

The year 1844 was particularly interesting. No other year in history where so many important historical events took place.
1844, PersianProphet The Báb announces His revelation, founding Bábism. He announced to the world of the coming of "He whom God shall make manifest." The Baha’i Faith (another Luciferianism) advocates unity of religions. The Baha’i Faith is upheld as the moral standard of United Nations.
some how they are connected to william miller and the millerite movement

1844, During a meeting held in Nauvoo, the Quorum of Twelve, headed by Brigham Young, is created as the leading body of the Mormon Church.
you forgot to mention that Joseph smith was assinated


1844, Charles Darwin began writing the ‘mystery of mysteries’: The Origin of Species.
from wikipedia
Background

Main articles: History of evolutionary thought and History of biology
The idea of biological evolution was around long before Darwin published The Origin, and was set out in Classical times by the Greek and Roman atomists, notably Lucretius. However, Christian thought in Medieval Europe involved complete faith in the ancient Biblical teachings of creation according to Genesis. Its concepts including "Created kinds" were interpreted by the priesthood as theology, then the Protestant Reformation widened access to the Bible and brought more literal interpretations. Natural history exploring the wonders of God's works made many discoveries and naturalists such as Carolus Linnaeus categorised an enormous number of species. A new belief developed that the original pair of every species had been brought into existence by God not so long ago. By the time of Darwin's birth in 1809, it was widely believed in England that both the natural world and the hierarchical social order were held stable, fixed by God's will, with nothing happening purely naturally and spontaneously.[4]
The idea that fossils were the remains of extinct species, first put forward by Robert Hooke in the mid seventeenth century, gradually gained acceptance and several competing theories of geology were put forward, notably James Hutton's uniformitarian theory of 1785 which envisioned gradual change over aeons of time. Some individuals put forward evolutionary concepts. By 1796 Charles Darwin's grandfather Erasmus Darwin, known to have been influenced by Lord Monboddo, had proposed ideas of common descent with organisms "acquiring new parts" in response to stimuli then passing these changes to their offspring. In 1809 Jean-Baptiste Lamarck developed a similar theory, with "needed" traits being acquired through use then passed on. At this time the word evolution (from the Latin word "evolutio", meaning "unroll like a scroll") was used to refer to an orderly sequence of events, particularly where the outcome was somehow contained within it from the start, so Lamarck avoided using this word for his concept in which traits were acquired during an organism's life, and the term transmutation came into use.
Such ideas were seen in Britain as attacking the social order, already threatened by the aftermath of the American and French Revolutions.[5] In England, natural history was dominated by the universities which trained clergy for the Church of England in William Paley's natural theology which sought evidence of beneficial "design" by a Creator. British naturalists adopted Georges Cuvier's explanation of the fossil record by catastrophism, the concept that animals and plants were periodically annihilated and that their places were taken by new species created ex nihilo (out of nothing), modifying it to support the biblical account of Noah's flood.[6] However Lamarck's ideas were taken up by Radicals who wanted to overturn the establishment and extend the vote to the lower classes.[7]

[edit] Inception of Darwin's theory

Main article: Inception of Darwin's theory
Charles Darwin's education at the University of Edinburgh gave him direct involvement in Robert Edmund Grant's evolutionist developments of the ideas of Erasmus Darwin and Jean-Baptiste Lamarck. Then at Cambridge University his theology studies convinced him of William Paley's argument of "design" by a Creator while his interest in natural history was increased by the botanist John Stevens Henslow and the geologist Adam Sedgwick, both of whom believed strongly in divine creation. During the voyage of the Beagle Charles Darwin became convinced by Charles Lyell's uniformitarianism, and puzzled over discrepancies between Lyell's uniformitarian idea that each species had its "centre of creation" and the evidence he saw. On his return Richard Owen showed that fossils Darwin had found were of extinct species related to current species in the same locality, and John Gould startlingly revealed that completely different birds from the Galápagos Islands were species of finches distinct to each island.
By early 1837 Darwin was speculating on transmutation in a series of secret notebooks. He investigated the breeding of domestic animals, consulting William Yarrell and reading a pamphlet by Yarrell's friend Sir John Sebright which commented that "A severe winter, or a scarcity of food, by destroying the weak and the unhealthy, has all the good effects of the most skilful selection." At the zoo in 1838 he had his first sight of an ape, and the orang-utan's antics impressed him as being "just like a naughty child" which from his experience of the natives of Tierra del Fuego made him think that there was little gulf between man and animals despite theological doctrines that only mankind possessed a soul.
In late September 1838 he began reading the 6th edition of Malthus's Essay on the Principle of Population which reminded him of Malthus's statistical proof that human populations breed beyond their means and compete to survive, at a time when he was primed to apply these ideas to animal species. Darwin applied to his search for the Creator's laws the Whig social thinking of struggle for survival with no hand-outs. By December 1838 he was seeing a similarity between breeders selecting traits and a Malthusian Nature selecting from variants thrown up by chance so that "every part of newly acquired structure is fully practised and perfected", thinking this "the most beautiful part of my theory".

[edit] First writings on the theory

Main article: Development of Darwin's theory
Darwin was well aware of the implication the theory had for the origin of humanity and the real danger to his career and reputation as an eminent geologist of being convicted of blasphemy. He worked in secret to consider all objections and prepare overwhelming evidence supporting his theory. He increasingly wanted to discuss his ideas with his colleagues, and in January 1842 sent a tentative description of his ideas in a letter to Lyell, who was then touring America. Lyell, dismayed that his erstwhile ally had become a Transmutationist, noted that Darwin "denies seeing a beginning to each crop of species".
Despite problems with illness, Darwin formulated a 35 page "Pencil Sketch" of his theory in June 1842 then worked it up into a larger "essay". The botanist Joseph Dalton Hooker became Darwin's mainstay, and late in 1845 Darwin offered his "rough Sketch" for comments without immediate success, but in January 1847 when Darwin was particularly ill Hooker took away a copy of the "Sketch". After some delays he sent a page of notes, giving Darwin the calm critical feedback that he needed. Darwin made a huge study of barnacles which established his credentials as a biologist and provided more evidence supporting his theory.
The publication of the anonymous Vestiges of the Natural History of Creation (1844) paved the way for the acceptance of Origin

We can see something definitely happened in 1844 because the Devil put up great effort to counteract it.[/quote]
 
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It has been alleged that even some of EGW's writings were "copied" from Joseph Smith. Mormon experts who have actually examined the evidence deny any link.
i am a critic of egw and i don't even believe that. that is too far fetched.
 
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i am a critic of egw and i don't even believe that. that is too far fetched.
Ah, but all critics don't think it was far-fetched!
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They think of themselves as the true chruch
We think of our selves as the true chruch

But, where they think of "church" in terms of organization and institution we think in terms of a body of believers.
 
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why would you think something was up? you are insuating something.

I was just curious about why you were looking to make connections with a cult and the SDA church.

I just don't see what the point of this is, or how making such a connection is of benefit to us.
 
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Fellows, belive me. There is NO connection between Ellen G. White and Joseph Smith or any other Morman.

The events of the late 18th century, and the early to mid 19th century, poduced not only a true prophet, but a plethora of false prophets.

Any comparisons between the SDA church and Ellen G. White, with any other "prophet" or church, founded during that time will reveal that the only writings that are completely in agreement with Scripture are those of Ellen G. White. That alone should put the point raised, or question ask, to rest.

Respectfully, your brother in Christ,
Doc
 
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